Self-hypnosis

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Self-hypnosis

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Friends,

Isn't the Buddhist path more like self-hypnosis than anything else?

Consider the noble path and related practices.

It's all about conditioning one's mind to act in certain ways, think certain thoughts, and so on.

So basically we are inducing happiness through a form of self-hypnosis.

Society conditions you to believe that money=happiness.

Buddhism conditions you to believe that meditation (or noble path) = happiness.
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It is definitely an attempt to unconditioned the mind but not self-hypnosis.
If it is hypnosis, you can attain Nibbana by getting some one to hypnotise you.
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Do you believe in truth, alfa?
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alfa wrote: Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:47 am Friends,

Isn't the Buddhist path more like self-hypnosis than anything else?

Consider the noble path and related practices.

It's all about conditioning one's mind to act in certain ways, think certain thoughts, and so on.

So basically we are inducing happiness through a form of self-hypnosis.

Society conditions you to believe that money=happiness.

Buddhism conditions you to believe that meditation (or noble path) = happiness.
I don't think you are totally wrong as some here would jump on you for posting this. There is a lot of self-hypnosis, imo, when it comes to practicing much of what is called the 8 Fold Path. But religions were created mainly for those who need some comfort and also to control the masses. However, the comfort they give is often an exchange of conditionings. But there is something other that is communicated by the great teachers throughout history; that there is a transcendant reality. Some hear this, few realize it. Most of them just argue about what it is.
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alfa wrote: Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:47 am Isn't the Buddhist path more like self-hypnosis than anything else?
More like not-self hypnosis. :toilet:
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Dinsdale wrote: Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:56 amMore like not-self hypnosis.
There can't be hypnosis when there's noone to hypnotize! :tongue:
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alfa wrote: Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:47 am Isn't the Buddhist path more like self-hypnosis than anything else?

Consider the noble path and related practices.

It's all about conditioning one's mind to act in certain ways, think certain thoughts, and so on.

So basically we are inducing happiness through a form of self-hypnosis.

Society conditions you to believe that money=happiness.

Buddhism conditions you to believe that meditation (or noble path) = happiness.
What isn't conditioning?

It appears that conditioning is inescapable; we are conditioned one way or another. Many of us have an ambiguous attitude toward the concept of conditioning itself. We tend to be positive about conditioning when it is about letting ourselves be conditioned to learn to cook, dance, drive, learn a vocation, a music instrument, become proficient in a sport. But we are not so positive about conditioning when it comes to learning different modes of thinking and looking at ourselves and the world.
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binocular wrote: Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:25 am What isn't conditioning?
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chownah wrote: Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:20 pm
binocular wrote: Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:25 am What isn't conditioning?
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It is conditioned, though, isn't it? Without the soil, water, warmth, and the nibanana tree, we couldn't grow the nibanana.
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Sam Vara wrote: Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:25 pmIt is conditioned, though, isn't it? Without the soil, water, warmth, and the nibanana tree, we couldn't grow the nibanana.
That explains all the monkeys, monkeys, monkeys!
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Hello:

Quite the opposite, the term hypnosis means "put to sleep", while the Buddha teaches "awakening".

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“In the untrained mind, attention and consciousness are conditioned by intentional activity…so that by the time they come into contact with sensory data, they are already preconditioned by ignorance to receive and attend to those data in a particular way.
Even in the mind on the path they are still preconditioned, because the purpose of knowledge in terms of right view is to condition consciousness in another direction, towards the ending of suffering. Only when ignorance is totally eradicated, at the end of the path, is there an experience of unconditioned awareness.”—-“Right Mindfulness”, Thanissaro.
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2600htz wrote: Mon Mar 05, 2018 8:21 pm Hello:

Quite the opposite, the term hypnosis means "put to sleep", while the Buddha teaches "awakening".

Regards.
Sure, the word hypnosis means to sleep, but this is misleading. The modern psychiatry knows that hypnotic state of mind is not a sleeping one, but an extremely active one. This is oroginally researched by Éva Bányai, and as of now the scientific consensus about the matter is what I wrote. So being in hypnotic state is not against the Dharma
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Hypnotism is a powerful tool for changing your mind. Dhamma tells us what changes we should make.
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Buddha Teaching is Path to Freedom, freedom from stresses , freedom from unsatisfactoriness, etc.
practices are to make us undo the "Second Arrow",
practices are to make us used to live the Dhamma so then we are used to live the Dhamma. After that we can live everywhere without hurt by "Second Arrow".
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