Is it dangerous or difficult karma for sex?

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Is it dangerous or difficult karma for sex?

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Is it?
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user99 wrote: Mon Dec 31, 2018 12:01 amIs it?
A guy goes to Buddha he says “oh wise Buddha I have sexual issues.” Buddha replies “ what are they my son?”
Man replies “ I enjoy masterbating with sandpaper.”
Buddha says “ don’t worry, everything is impermanent, and you won’t have this condition for long.”
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No need to complicate the matter with concerns for karma.....sex is frought with dangers and difficulties even in the absence of concerns over karma......it should not be engaged in without serious considerations.
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Consideration of what?
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It is already a second time in the past two days on this forum, when it seems everyone understands the topic, but me. First was "suffering a fall", and now "is it dangerous or difficult karma for sex?" What does it suppose mean? :thinking:
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What is right sex if that excist?
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user99 wrote: Mon Dec 31, 2018 4:53 am Consideration of what?
Consideration of the dangers and difficulties.
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user99 wrote: Mon Dec 31, 2018 12:01 amIs it?
Do you mean "Does having sex make bad kamma?"
I don't understand your questions.
Often.
And again.
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Does sex make you get bad kamma?
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user99 wrote: Mon Dec 31, 2018 6:49 am Does sex make you get bad kamma?
Ah, very good, I understand perfectly now.

No, sex does not give you bad kamma.

Kamma is created by intention. If you have good intention in sex you will get good kamma, and if you have bad intention with sex you will get bad kamma. If you have mixed intentions then you will have both bright and dark kamma.

It's the same as ANY activity by a human.The kamma you get depends on the intention you have.
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JamesTheGiant wrote: Mon Dec 31, 2018 6:56 am
user99 wrote: Mon Dec 31, 2018 6:49 am Does sex make you get bad kamma?
Ah, very good, I understand perfectly now.

No, sex does not give you bad kamma.

Kamma is created by intention. If you have good intention in sex you will get good kamma, and if you have bad intention with sex you will get bad kamma. If you have mixed intentions then you will have both bright and dark kamma.

It's the same as ANY activity by a human.The kamma you get depends on the intention you have.
Parabava sutta and sigalovada are two valuable suttas intended for the knowledge of lay buddhist. They explain more disasters that a layman can face by unnecessary sexualities . In fact lord budda promoted celebacy for the arya seekers as sex is a hindrance of addiction to pleasures. In fact sex is followed by kamaccanda. Our five senses ( or rather salayatana) are a means of existence in samsara in this world. But we have become plessure seekers and are being slaved making us suffer on this world. Limiting sex will allow & help us to go on eight fold path to escape from suffering.
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What is right and wrong intentions when 8ne have sex?
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“It is better for you to have put your manhood in the mouth of a venomous snake or a pit of burning charcoal than a woman.” Vin I.5
pācittiya 68

Not to affirm that things such as sexual pleasures are not an obstacle to the development of ariyā stage or to jhāna realisations, nor to rebirth in the deva world, when the Buddha explains that these things are precisely an obstacle to those, and not to maintain erroneous views. Those bhikkhu who hear or see another bhikkhu make statements such as these, or saying incorrect things that Buddha never taught, must tell him not to attribute such statements to Buddha, because he never taught these things. In giving him the reasons that cause obstacles to attainments or to favourable rebirths, they must tell him that this is what Buddha taught. They must tell him that such is the dhamma that must be explained to those around us. Next, they must forbid him three times in succession to renounce those words. If he retracts, he does not commit the offence. If he refuses to abandon his view, he commits a dukkaṭa.

He must then be taken into the sīmā, together with other bhikkhus, and asked again three times to abandon his views. If he retracts, he does not commit a supplementary offence. If he refuses to abandon his views, he again commits a dukkaṭa.

It is then necessary to demand him again that he abandons his view, by means of the ñatti kammavācā, up to three times in succession (unless he has abandoned his view in the meantime). If at the end of the first reading of the kammavācā, the bhikkhu does not retract, he commits again a dukkaṭa. If at the end of the second reading of the kammavācā, he does not retract, he commits a dukkaṭa. If at the end of the third reading of the kammavācā, he still does not retract, he commits le pācittiya 68.

Such a bhikkhu is placed outside the community for as long as he does not reject his erroneous views; the other bhikkhus stop frequenting him (sleeping in the same building, go to collect rice together, eat at the same table, etc.)

It is very important not to defame the teaching of Buddha through erroneous statements. For having maintained his false views, the bhikkhu who is at the origin of this rule took rebirth in the hells realm.
https://en.dhammadana.org/sangha/vinaya/227.htm
What do you think does sticking your thing into the mouth of a poisonous snake lead to good or bad result? Well, sex is apparently worse.
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if you are in desire realm then effing make sense and can't imagine living without it, i mean peeps who are there don't imagine it its the way of life. You have to be away from that realm to be able to know you are fettered. Its nice to know ones own fetters so can meditate and work on removal.

you can't ignore it much if you know that when you wouldn't have that fetter you wouldn't also have desire to eff either.

putting that conceptual example away. You can call hindrances out and feel the burn in belly. After that you don't need to eff. Eradicating the desire is substance based(you will feel it and also you initiate that process) where you need exhaust, burn the substances early before they get turned.

End game is you get dispassioned, conceptually said that what you saw in a object now is bad, dispassion causes suffering and you having unfulfilled heart desire, it will cause lots of dukkha, removing that in heart is by not able to do anything, cultivating feeling of helplessness, worthlessness etc, it will end by itself at some point and you can enjoy things again, what it do is your intelligence will get better a lot, you do better choices.

This will repeat. This happen also with normal people but the objects by what the mind is sustained are different. At the end for you(abnormal person) the mind gets released by not sustaining.
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justindesilva wrote: Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:47 am Limiting sex will allow & help us to go on eight fold path to escape from suffering.
Yes, but this is not the same as kamma, which was the question.
the Buddha limited sex because it leads to sensual attachment, addiction to pleasure, not bad kamma.
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