https://suttacentral.net/mn141/en/sujato wrote:The noble truths of suffering, the origin of suffering, the cessation of suffering, and the practice that leads to the cessation of suffering.
How are clinging aggregates suffering? chariot, car, computer is suffering?https://suttacentral.net/mn141/en/sujato wrote:And what is the noble truth of suffering?Katamañcāvuso, dukkhaṃ ariyasaccaṃ?
Rebirth is suffering; old age is suffering; death is suffering; sorrow, lamentation, pain, sadness, and distress are suffering; not getting what you wish for is suffering. In brief, the five grasping aggregates are suffering.Jātipi dukkhā, jarāpi dukkhā, maraṇampi dukkhaṃ, sokaparidevadukkhadomanassupāyāsāpi dukkhā, yampicchaṃ na labhati tampi dukkhaṃ; saṅkhittena pañcupādānakkhandhā dukkhā.
Rebirth, old age, death are clinging aggregates. But feeling is condition for craving and craving is condition for clinging.https://suttacentral.net/sn26.3/en/sujato wrote: “Mendicants, the arising of eye consciousness …“Yo kho, bhikkhave, cakkhuviññāṇassa uppādo ṭhiti … pe …jarāmaraṇassa pātubhāvo … pe …mind consciousness …yo manoviññāṇassa uppādo ṭhiti … pe …
is the manifestation of old age and death.jarāmaraṇassa pātubhāvo.
it seem clinging aggregates are not one word like 'lamp'. Aggregate there, is an object of clinging. And this activity of clinging causes(manifests) old age, illness and this process as a whole is painful, some low notch suffering.
What you guys think about this?