What experiences Nirvana?

[cappuccino]

As you said, all consciousness is impermanent/inconstant

It’s sort of like the Titanic


Full speed ahead… does not mean aim for ice


That’s a disastrous interpretation

[cappuccino]

The proper interpretation of impermanence is similar


It’s not about blinking out of existence


It’s merely saying there is change or inconstancy

[Ceisiwr]

As you said, all consciousness is impermanent/inconstant

It’s sort of like the Titanic


Full speed ahead… does not mean aim for ice


That’s a disastrous interpretation

And so the obstructive kamma fructifies.

[Ceisiwr]

The proper interpretation of impermanence is similar


It’s not about blinking out of existence


It’s merely saying there is change or inconstancy

Therefore dukkha, not-self and not nibbana. So, you just acknowledged that nibbana isn’t any type of consciousness.

[cappuccino]

So, you just acknowledged that nibbana isn’t any type of consciousness.

No…


You are taking things too far


Like the Titanic

[Ceisiwr]

So, you just acknowledged that nibbana isn’t any type of consciousness.

No…


You are taking things too far


Like the Titanic

You said that this special consciousness is impermanent or, as you prefer, inconstant. Nibbana isn’t impermanent or inconstant, because only dependently originated things are impermanent or inconstant. Nibbana then isn’t this special consciousness. Impermanent or inconstant things are dependently originated. That which is dependently originated is dukkha, it is the wrong way. Therefore, nibbana isn’t this special type of consciousness. This special type of consciousness is the wrong way.

[cappuccino]

Let’s not discuss nirvana

[Ceisiwr]

Let’s not discuss nirvana

This is like someone finding a cool pool of water in a desert, and then running the other way.

[cappuccino]

Let’s not discuss nirvana

This is like someone finding a cool pool of water in a desert, and then running the other way.

First of all, there is change


That which changes is stressful

[Ceisiwr]

Let’s not discuss nirvana

This is like someone finding a cool pool of water in a desert, and then running the other way.

First of all, there is change


That which changes is stressful

Yes. This is the nature of all types of consciousness.

[cappuccino]

First of all, there is change


That which changes is stressful

Yes. This is the nature of all types of consciousness.

Unconditioned consciousness is unconditioned

[Spiny Norman]

The proper interpretation of impermanence is similar


It’s not about blinking out of existence


It’s merely saying there is change or inconstancy

Therefore dukkha, not-self and not nibbana. So, you just acknowledged that nibbana isn’t any type of consciousness.

So Nibbana is an object of consciousness?

[cappuccino]

So Nibbana is an object of consciousness?

“There is that sphere where there is no earth, no water, no fire nor wind; no sphere of infinity of space, of infinity of consciousness, of nothingness or even of neither-perception-nor non-perception; there, there is neither this world nor the other world, neither moon nor sun; this sphere I call neither a coming nor a going nor a staying still, neither a dying nor a reappearance; it has no basis, no evolution and no support: this, just this, is the end of dukkha.”
~ Ud 8.1

[Ceisiwr]

First of all, there is change


That which changes is stressful

Yes. This is the nature of all types of consciousness.

Unconditioned consciousness is unconditioned

Yet you acknowledged that all consciousness is inconstant. If it’s inconstant then it’s dependently originated, and dependently originated things aren’t unconditioned. The Jains argued for a changing eternal consciousness. The Brahmins for an unchanging eternal consciousness. Whichever your flavour, both fall.

[Ceisiwr]

So Nibbana is an object of consciousness?

“There is that sphere where there is no earth, no water, no fire nor wind; no sphere of infinity of space, of infinity of consciousness, of nothingness or even of neither-perception-nor non-perception; there, there is neither this world nor the other world, neither moon nor sun; this sphere I call neither a coming nor a going nor a staying still, neither a dying nor a reappearance; it has no basis, no evolution and no support: this, just this, is the end of dukkha.”
~ Ud 8.1

So it’s not a type of consciousness, since you acknowledged that all consciousness is of a nature to change.