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What experiences Nirvana?
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Re: What experiences Nirvana?
According to Sāvaka Buddhism, yes. According to some forms of Mahāyāna, no.Spiny Norman wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 11:13 pmSo Nibbana is an object of consciousness?Ceisiwr wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 10:59 pmTherefore dukkha, not-self and not nibbana. So, you just acknowledged that nibbana isn’t any type of consciousness.cappuccino wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 10:58 pm The proper interpretation of impermanence is similar
It’s not about blinking out of existence
It’s merely saying there is change or inconstancy
“The teacher willed that this world appear to me
as impermanent, unstable, insubstantial.
Mind, let me leap into the victor’s teaching,
carry me over the great flood, so hard to pass.”
as impermanent, unstable, insubstantial.
Mind, let me leap into the victor’s teaching,
carry me over the great flood, so hard to pass.”
Re: What experiences Nirvana?
That the soul (the eternal consciousness substance) changes yet is eternal, and this changing soul floats off to nirvana at awakening. The Jains ridiculed the idea that the soul (the eternal consciousness substance) doesn’t change. In comparison, Brahmin ascetics said it does not change at all. The eternal consciousness in Jainism changed because it’s modified by the influx of kamma, and changes again upon being liberated.
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“The teacher willed that this world appear to me
as impermanent, unstable, insubstantial.
Mind, let me leap into the victor’s teaching,
carry me over the great flood, so hard to pass.”
as impermanent, unstable, insubstantial.
Mind, let me leap into the victor’s teaching,
carry me over the great flood, so hard to pass.”
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Re: What experiences Nirvana?
There is no answer about the soul in Buddhism
There is no indication of annihilation either
There is a middle, subtle, difficult way
There is no indication of annihilation either
There is a middle, subtle, difficult way
Re: What experiences Nirvana?
Sure, it’s difficult. Emptiness is difficult. Still, Nibbana isn’t some kind of consciousness according to the Buddha. Venerable Ṭhānissaro, less so.cappuccino wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 11:23 pm There is no answer about the soul in Buddhism
There is no indication of annihilation either
There is a middle, subtle, difficult way
“The teacher willed that this world appear to me
as impermanent, unstable, insubstantial.
Mind, let me leap into the victor’s teaching,
carry me over the great flood, so hard to pass.”
as impermanent, unstable, insubstantial.
Mind, let me leap into the victor’s teaching,
carry me over the great flood, so hard to pass.”
Re: What experiences Nirvana?
The Sarvāstivādins are surprisingly Jain. They explain karma as "avijñāpti" rūpa, or "unpercieved" material. This invisible insensible material is part of the human body supposedly. The transformations of the avijñāptirūpa allow the being to trascend the hard pseudo-materialist determinism of tri-temporal realism.
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What is the Uncreated?
Sublime & free, what is that obscured Eternity?
It is the Undying, the Bright, the Isle.
It is an Ocean, a Secret: Reality.
Both life and oblivion, it is Nirvāṇa.
Sublime & free, what is that obscured Eternity?
It is the Undying, the Bright, the Isle.
It is an Ocean, a Secret: Reality.
Both life and oblivion, it is Nirvāṇa.
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Re: What experiences Nirvana?
You attempt an extreme way
Re: What experiences Nirvana?
Well, I’m not arguing for annihilation or eternalism, so how am I being extreme?
“The teacher willed that this world appear to me
as impermanent, unstable, insubstantial.
Mind, let me leap into the victor’s teaching,
carry me over the great flood, so hard to pass.”
as impermanent, unstable, insubstantial.
Mind, let me leap into the victor’s teaching,
carry me over the great flood, so hard to pass.”
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Re: What experiences Nirvana?
You want annihilation without calling it such
As in there was nothing to begin with
Re: What experiences Nirvana?
My view is that which is dependently originated is impermanent, dukkha and not-self.cappuccino wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 11:28 pmYou want annihilation without calling it such
As in there was nothing to begin with
“The teacher willed that this world appear to me
as impermanent, unstable, insubstantial.
Mind, let me leap into the victor’s teaching,
carry me over the great flood, so hard to pass.”
as impermanent, unstable, insubstantial.
Mind, let me leap into the victor’s teaching,
carry me over the great flood, so hard to pass.”
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Re: What experiences Nirvana?
Nirvana is not originated
In a way it’s something to believe in
Re: What experiences Nirvana?
Indeed. No arising, no ceasing, no coming, no going, no remaining still.
“The teacher willed that this world appear to me
as impermanent, unstable, insubstantial.
Mind, let me leap into the victor’s teaching,
carry me over the great flood, so hard to pass.”
as impermanent, unstable, insubstantial.
Mind, let me leap into the victor’s teaching,
carry me over the great flood, so hard to pass.”
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Re: What experiences Nirvana?
Nor is it nothingness
Nothingness even is a dimension
Re: What experiences Nirvana?
Not that either, nor existing.
“The teacher willed that this world appear to me
as impermanent, unstable, insubstantial.
Mind, let me leap into the victor’s teaching,
carry me over the great flood, so hard to pass.”
as impermanent, unstable, insubstantial.
Mind, let me leap into the victor’s teaching,
carry me over the great flood, so hard to pass.”
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