What experiences Nirvana?

[Ceisiwr]

It’s not something. It’s not a state of mind, or consciousness, or some hidden reality. Nibbana is just a name for freedom from disturbance.

[justindesilva]

It’s not something. It’s not a state of mind, or consciousness, or some hidden reality. Nibbana is just a name for freedom from disturbance.

Nibbana is same as nir vana. Better explained as "no desires".

[equilibrium]

The “what” merely refers to the difference between that which is conditioned and unconditioned.

Conditioned existence v Unconditioned.
Born v unborn.
Delusion v Non-delusion.
Suffering v Bliss.
Impermanence v Permanent.
Samsara v Nibbana.

Per AN 3.47:

"Bhikkhus, there are these three characteristics that define the conditioned.

What three? An arising is seen, a vanishing is seen, and its alteration while it persists is seen. These are the three characteristics that define the conditioned.

"Bhikkhus, there are these three characteristics that define the unconditioned.

What three? No arising is seen, no vanishing is seen, and no alteration while it persists is seen. These are the three characteristics that define the unconditioned."

The last part needs to be fully comprehended.

[cappuccino]

It’s not something. It’s not a state of mind, or consciousness, or some hidden reality.

I say it’s a state of mind, or consciousness

[Ceisiwr]

It’s not something. It’s not a state of mind, or consciousness, or some hidden reality.

I say it’s a state of mind, or consciousness

Then it’s dependently originated.

[Ceisiwr]

The “what” merely refers to the difference between that which is conditioned and unconditioned.

Conditioned existence v Unconditioned.
Born v unborn.
Delusion v Non-delusion.
Suffering v Bliss.
Impermanence v Permanent.
Samsara v Nibbana.

Per AN 3.47:

"Bhikkhus, there are these three characteristics that define the conditioned.

What three? An arising is seen, a vanishing is seen, and its alteration while it persists is seen. These are the three characteristics that define the conditioned.

"Bhikkhus, there are these three characteristics that define the unconditioned.

What three? No arising is seen, no vanishing is seen, and no alteration while it persists is seen. These are the three characteristics that define the unconditioned."

The last part needs to be fully comprehended.

There is an ambiguity in the Pali that you don’t find in the northern versions. In the parallels nibbana is said to be without arising, ceasing, changing or persisting. The Pali says the same, but the wording can lead to some confusion.

[cappuccino]

Then it’s dependently originated.

The unconditioned state

[Dhammapardon]

Does the arahant experience nirvana?

[Ceisiwr]

Does the arahant experience nirvana?

Ultimately? No.

[cappuccino]

Does the arahant experience nirvana?

If not what is the point

[confusedlayman]

There is knowledge of nibbana .. as nibbana is cessation of knowingness where there is no conciousness or percrption

[riceandcashews]

Realization of the deathless is conditioned. Of course the deathless itself is unconditioned.

As for the question of what experiences nirvana/the realization of the deathless, it depends on how we understand 'person':

If a 'person' is reified (taken as real, as non-papanca), then no one experiences nirvana. And no one ever experiences samsara either, there is only the arising of a confused conception of a person experiencing samsara and the cessation of that confusion.

Alternatively, if 'person' is understood as a papanca, as conceptual construction which is merely a conventional designation, then we can say that people experience samsara and nirvana, and therefore that arahants experience nirvana.

[equilibrium]

The “what” merely refers to the difference between that which is conditioned and unconditioned.

Conditioned existence v Unconditioned.
Born v unborn.
Delusion v Non-delusion.
Suffering v Bliss.
Impermanence v Permanent.
Samsara v Nibbana.

Per AN 3.47:

"Bhikkhus, there are these three characteristics that define the conditioned.

What three? An arising is seen, a vanishing is seen, and its alteration while it persists is seen. These are the three characteristics that define the conditioned.

"Bhikkhus, there are these three characteristics that define the unconditioned.

What three? No arising is seen, no vanishing is seen, and no alteration while it persists is seen. These are the three characteristics that define the unconditioned."

The last part needs to be fully comprehended.

There is an ambiguity in the Pali that you don’t find in the northern versions. In the parallels nibbana is said to be without arising, ceasing, changing or persisting. The Pali says the same, but the wording can lead to some confusion.

Ambiguity and confusion is only when one doesn’t understand.

There are no differences between the two. ….. furthermore, there are different ways to describe the same thing, and not limited to only words, it can be by pictures, sounds, smells, even taste.

Here it is again, for direct comparison ….. let’s see if you can spot the difference and explain why they are the same ? (This is where you use “concentration”)

No arising is seen, no vanishing is seen, and no alteration while it persists is seen.

without arising, ceasing, changing or persisting.

[Lucas Oliveira]

What apprehends Nirvana, if consciousness and awareness are just aggregates. How can something be apprehended without sentience?

What experiences Nirvana?

Lately, reflecting on this question...

I remember this phrase from the Bhagavad Gita... and I think it has some connection.

Bhagavad Gita - Chapter 9, Verse 4

By Me, in My unmanifested form, this entire universe is pervaded. All beings are in Me, but I am not in them.

https://asitis.com/9

but I'm not sure, I think it's just my mind trying to understand this question.

[Aloka]

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Reading "The Island" by Ajahn Pasanno and Ajahn Amaro might be helpful, as well as the introduction to the book by Ajahn Sumedho.

https://amaravati.org/dhamma-books/the-island/



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