Risk of taking vaccine jab

[pegembara]

Most deaths occur in the unvaccinated.

The evidence-
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination

[pegembara]

Most deaths occur in the unvaccinated.

The evidence-
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination

https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2282

[Nicolas]

Not the UK, but here is some data for the USA from its Center for Disease Control:
Rates of COVID-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status
Rates of laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 hospitalizations by vaccination status

"In October, unvaccinated persons had 14x risk of dying from COVID-19 compared to fully vaccinated persons."
"In October, unvaccinated persons had 20x risk of dying from COVID-19 compared to fully vaccinated persons with additional or booster doses."

[cappuccino]

Most deaths occur in the unvaccinated.

I'm still wary of the vaccine

[pegembara]

Most deaths occur in the unvaccinated.

I'm still wary of the vaccine

Hopefully not as wary as you are towards Covid infection. Anyway as things go with Omicron, everyone will be exposed one way or another. Those who refused vaccination will be “vaccinated”. You don’t get to choose.

IF Omicron is as mild as it is in South Africa, you’ll have been effectively vaccinated with an unknown agent with little side effects accept for an occasional death here and there. I am assuming that the antivaxxers would consider this acceptable risk as is the risk of long Covid.

[Bundokji]

One of the risks of not taking the vaccine jab is to die from COVID when its at the center of public attention. When a certain cause of death is newsworthy, people tend to fear it more.

[Kumara]

Anyway as things go with Omicron, everyone will be exposed one way or another. Those who refused vaccination will be “vaccinated”. You don’t get to choose.

Right. It's called "natural immunity".

IF Omicron is as mild as it is in South Africa, you’ll have been effectively vaccinated with an unknown agent with little side effects accept for an occasional death here and there.

Not just mild, but high transmittable, thus overtaking other variants. Going by past pandemics, this is how the pandemic will end. The unvaccinated can be proud of the fact this variant arose naturally among them. FYI, S.Africa is only 25% vaccinated.

[Kumara]

Not the UK, but here is some data for the USA from its Center for Disease Control:
Rates of COVID-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status
Rates of laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 hospitalizations by vaccination status

"In October, unvaccinated persons had 14x risk of dying from COVID-19 compared to fully vaccinated persons."
"In October, unvaccinated persons had 20x risk of dying from COVID-19 compared to fully vaccinated persons with additional or booster doses."

Interestingly, although the reports above come from the CDC, its own director in answering the question 'What percentage of CDC employees are vaccinated?' says that "We are actively encouraging vaccination in all our employees..."

I trust the CDC people very much in this matter actually, in what do, not what they say.

[pegembara]

Anyway as things go with Omicron, everyone will be exposed one way or another. Those who refused vaccination will be “vaccinated”. You don’t get to choose.

Right. It's called "natural immunity".

IF Omicron is as mild as it is in South Africa, you’ll have been effectively vaccinated with an unknown agent with little side effects accept for an occasional death here and there.

Not just mild, but high transmittable, thus overtaking other variants. Going by past pandemics, this is how the pandemic will end. The unvaccinated can be proud of the fact this variant arose naturally among them. FYI, S.Africa is only 25% vaccinated.

There is nothing natural about gaining immunity from infection.
The risk of death from vaccine compared to deaths from Covid - pretty sure it is much lower.

5,364,996
cumulative worldwide deaths from Covid.

If the initial variant out of Wuhan was as mild as the common cold, no one would waste time and money producing a vaccine even if billions are infected. Just concentrate on seasonal influenza.

By the way, the World Health Organization estimates that 290,000 to 650,000 people die of flu-related causes every year worldwide.

Some pandemics don't end. They just become endemic.

[cappuccino]

Omicron could burn through the U.S. — and potentially hasten the Covid pandemic’s end, says expert

[Spiny Norman]

Omicron could burn through the U.S. — and potentially hasten the Covid pandemic’s end, says expert

It's certainly possible, though of course other variants might well emerge. It's looking like omicron puts less people in hospital than delta, though omicron is infecting more people more quickly, so there may well be a large wave of hospitalisations.

Also note that vaccination provides better protection than immunity from infection.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/23/should- ... ained.html

[Spiny Norman]

Anyway as things go with Omicron, everyone will be exposed one way or another. Those who refused vaccination will be “vaccinated”. You don’t get to choose.

Right. It's called "natural immunity".

IF Omicron is as mild as it is in South Africa, you’ll have been effectively vaccinated with an unknown agent with little side effects accept for an occasional death here and there.

Not just mild, but high transmittable, thus overtaking other variants. Going by past pandemics, this is how the pandemic will end. The unvaccinated can be proud of the fact this variant arose naturally among them. FYI, S.Africa is only 25% vaccinated.

You're assuming omicron will be the last variant.

[Kumara]

Omicron could burn through the U.S. — and potentially hasten the Covid pandemic’s end, says expert

It's certainly possible, though of course other variants might well emerge. It's looking like omicron puts less people in hospital than delta, though omicron is infecting more people more quickly, so there may well be a large wave of hospitalisations.

Going by South Africa's experience, that's only for a short period.

Also note that vaccination provides better protection than immunity from infection.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/23/should- ... ained.html

Yeah. It cites CDC's reports. It's strange why CDC's employees still need to be encouraged to be vaccinated, isn't it?

[Kumara]

IF Omicron is as mild as it is in South Africa, you’ll have been effectively vaccinated with an unknown agent with little side effects accept for an occasional death here and there.

Not just mild, but high transmittable, thus overtaking other variants. Going by past pandemics, this is how the pandemic will end. The unvaccinated can be proud of the fact this variant arose naturally among them. FYI, S.Africa is only 25% vaccinated.

You're assuming omicron will be the last variant.

It may not be. We may see an even milder variant.

[pegembara]

Omicron could burn through the U.S. — and potentially hasten the Covid pandemic’s end, says expert

Putting an end to the Covid pandemic is no longer possible due to the high transmissibility of Omicron and vaccine hesitancy/inequity - the aim is no endemicity with hopefully controllable waves like influenza.

For a short while this year, researchers were optimistic that the pandemic might end at the end of 2022. But Andrea Taylor, who leads a COVID-19 data team at the Duke Global Health Innovation Center in Durham, North Carolina, says that will be pushed back until 2023 or even 2024, so long as wealthy nations insist on buying up most of the available vaccine stock without agreeing to provide more manufacturing capacity, and as new variants such as Omicron continue to arise. “We are taking the least efficient pathway out of the pandemic,” she laments.

It’s an inescapable reality and an almost iron-clad law: the pandemic will not end while vaccine equity is pushed to the margins.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-03616-x