Risk of taking vaccine jab

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mikenz66 wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 8:32 pm
Ceisiwr wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 8:00 am No, it doesn’t. What matters is the evidence. If people like you are going to make scientific claims then you need evidence to back it up. By evidence I don’t mean the scribblings of some snake oil salesman in a fringe rag on the internet. I mean actual data and studies.
It's important to have robust discussions of the pros and cons of various measures that have been taken by various countries. Unfortunately, there is a strange modern idea that anyone's opinion on any subject is just as worth listening to as any other. Postmodernism gone mad... Strangely, this only applies to some areas. One doesn't (usually) see this when it comes to building cars, buildings, rocket ships, mobile phones, and so on...

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It's almost as if this occurs when there is an emotional reaction :shrug:
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People often conflate science with government policy/public health measures. 2 different things. Objectively, the government and public health policies have been highly variable and often terrible and inconsistent at best. The science including the development of the vaccine has been quite impressive.
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Ceisiwr wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 8:00 am What matters is the evidence.
what matters is if you die from the vaccine


which is evidence but… too late
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cappuccino wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:57 pm
Ceisiwr wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 8:00 am What matters is the evidence.
what matters is if you die from the vaccine


which is evidence but… too late
That if can only be answered by the evidence. You make claims, but when pressed you can’t substantiate them. In other words you are really talking nonsense.
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Dan74 wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:40 am
Kumara wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 1:05 am
Dan74 wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:03 pm From what I've seen, it's rather the opposite - many get reported that have nothing to do with the jab.
Can you show support for what you said above?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7997788/
It says, “This study aims to systematically review and synthesize the evidence on the safety data from the published COVID-19 vaccine trials.”

Those are funded by the vaccine makers.
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Kumara wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 1:33 am Those are funded by the vaccine makers.
This statement is misleading and based on a misunderstanding. This is a meta-study (a study of studies) cited above was performed by physicians at an Indian medical university studying a wide range of vaccine safety and efficacy studies using statistical methods.
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dharmacorps wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 1:49 am
Kumara wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 1:33 am Those are funded by the vaccine makers.
This statement is misleading and based on a misunderstanding. This is a meta-study (a study of studies) cited above was performed by physicians at an Indian medical university studying a wide range of vaccine safety and efficacy studies using statistical methods.
But as it say, "This study aims to systematically review and synthesize the evidence on the safety data from the published COVID-19 vaccine trials.”
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Kumara wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:22 am
dharmacorps wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 1:49 am
Kumara wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 1:33 am Those are funded by the vaccine makers.
This statement is misleading and based on a misunderstanding. This is a meta-study (a study of studies) cited above was performed by physicians at an Indian medical university studying a wide range of vaccine safety and efficacy studies using statistical methods.
But as it say, "This study aims to systematically review and synthesize the evidence on the safety data from the published COVID-19 vaccine trials.”
Medical trials always involve the government for oversight and independent panels. If data has been fudged it can’t be hidden for long. This is what makes medical science so robust, and why alternative medicine is always rejected as being nothing more than a placebo effect.
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True — only hidden for 75 years.
https://www.reuters.com/legal/governmen ... 021-12-13/
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Ceisiwr wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 11:21 pm
cappuccino wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:57 pm
Ceisiwr wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 8:00 am What matters is the evidence.
what matters is if you die from the vaccine


which is evidence but… too late
That if can only be answered by the evidence.
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ToVincent wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:20 am True — only hidden for 75 years.
https://www.reuters.com/legal/governmen ... 021-12-13/
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As in if the vaccine doesn’t work, or has severe side effects for most people it will soon be found out.
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This is exactly why we have scientists:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/ ... 69436.html

Finally some good news — Genetic theraphy as "vaccine", is 100% safe.
The science is settled.

By the way, did you know that real Christmas trees are better for your mental health than artificial ones, experts say.
https://nbc-2.com/news/2021/12/08/real- ... s-say/amp/
This might help with that PPSD first wave.
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Ceisiwr wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 7:36 am
Kumara wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:22 am
dharmacorps wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 1:49 am

This statement is misleading and based on a misunderstanding. This is a meta-study (a study of studies) cited above was performed by physicians at an Indian medical university studying a wide range of vaccine safety and efficacy studies using statistical methods.
But as it say, "This study aims to systematically review and synthesize the evidence on the safety data from the published COVID-19 vaccine trials.”
Medical trials always involve the government for oversight and independent panels. If data has been fudged it can’t be hidden for long. This is what makes medical science so robust, and why alternative medicine is always rejected as being nothing more than a placebo effect.
I think you need to fact-check that.
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Kumara wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 1:38 am
Ceisiwr wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 7:36 am
Kumara wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:22 am

But as it say, "This study aims to systematically review and synthesize the evidence on the safety data from the published COVID-19 vaccine trials.”
Medical trials always involve the government for oversight and independent panels. If data has been fudged it can’t be hidden for long. This is what makes medical science so robust, and why alternative medicine is always rejected as being nothing more than a placebo effect.
I think you need to fact-check that.
Which bit?
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cutting off Māra’s flower-tipped arrows,
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Ceisiwr wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 4:40 pm
ToVincent wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:20 am True — only hidden for 75 years.
https://www.reuters.com/legal/governmen ... 021-12-13/
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As in if the vaccine doesn’t work, or has severe side effects for most people it will soon be found out.
And in any case, medicines have to be approved for public use by regulatory bodies.
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