Good householder Vinzent,ToVincent wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 6:01 amWhich "mind-made"?
Mano-made or citta-made?
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Byāsitta [vi+ā+sica+ta]
√ sic = to pour out (viz. expresses without restraint).
Note that Sujato's translation of byāsitta as "polluted" in SN 35.97 above, is not accurate, as usual — nor are by the way, his translations of pāmojja and pīti, as "joy" and "rapture". .
When eye (a sense,) meets with a sight, this is a sensual (sensorial) pleasure - not a citta's pleasure.
Citta is just experiencing that vedanā/experience, without restraint - when in a byāsitta mode. There is no pleasure involved in the citta at that level — and if there is some kind of pleasure, there is no sense involved into that for sure. Citta is not a field of sensory experience (neither ajjhattika, nor bāhirāni āyatanāni).
On the other hand, the pleasure of pāmojja is sensual (sensorial/physical), as it involves the eye (a sense / an internal field of sensory experience / ajjhattika āyatana) in the saḷāyatana nidāna.
And this goes pretty well with the definition of the Indian literature of the time (narrative).
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pamojja, rejoicing, joy, which is an element of the path, which leads into access area, isn't any rejoice feed by the five senses, but result of letting go of them. As good householder Frank often tries to express, this joy is one nurished by proper thinking reflecting, as good householder had previously quoted.
Restrain from taking on sensual touch, Adhisila, gives certain relases by debtlessness, faultlessness, either gained by reflection on virtues worthy to identify or/e.g. through Satipatthana, gives ground for starting the elevation.
If the question of "which mind" is thought to classify it by it's state or action: pamojja (rejoice) causes pīti (satisfaction). So if one wishes, for this chain pamojja mano to pīti citta. Piti mano does toward passaddhi citta...one feels the pleasure [pamojja] of being reconciled with himself [pīti], and the pleasure [sukha] of being at peace with oneself (passaddhi).