first jhana really can be this easy (35 sec. video demonstration)

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many have no interest in declaring false attainments. in MN 61, the Lord Buddha crucified his son Rahula if he uttered false speech. your hundreds of posts on myriad forums & blogs are not about any type of real jhana i know or have heard of :smile:
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how to hypnotize a chicken with one line

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frank k wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 3:25 pm first jhana really can be this easy (35 sec. video demonstration)
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According to the video of baby capybara in link, it may be termed animals' jhana , rather than the first jhana.
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SarathW wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 7:20 am how to hypnotize a chicken with one line

ha! That chicken is doing vism. and ajahn brahm "real jhana" of absorbing into the parimukham "line drawing nimitta", then emerging from the hypnosis later.
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Sabbe_Dhamma_Anatta wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 8:34 am
frank k wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 3:25 pm first jhana really can be this easy (35 sec. video demonstration)
https://notesonthedhamma.blogspot.com/2 ... sy-35.html

According to the video of baby capybara in link, it may be termed animals' jhana , rather than the first jhana.
Even animal jhana is better than vism "real first jhana".
Animal jhana can hunt and catch food to survive, feed themselves and their children.
vism. "jhana" can't even do vipassana.
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frank k wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 11:55 am
Sabbe_Dhamma_Anatta wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 8:34 am
frank k wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 3:25 pm first jhana really can be this easy (35 sec. video demonstration)
https://notesonthedhamma.blogspot.com/2 ... sy-35.html

According to the video of baby capybara in link, it may be termed animals' jhana , rather than the first jhana.
Even animal jhana is better than vism "real first jhana".
Animal jhana can hunt and catch food to survive, feed themselves and their children.
vism. "jhana" can't even do vipassana.
Vism supports that meditator can do jhana and also vipasanna based on jhana
I may be slow learner but im at least learning...
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confusedlayman wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 2:56 pm ...
Vism supports that meditator can do jhana and also vipasanna based on jhana
but not at the same time.
And that causes huge problems with how monastics do their main practice.
I've spend 10 years in that Vism. system and have witnessed hundreds, if not thousands of earnest diligent meditators suffering needlessly because they're following a misguided approach.
They spend years chasing a pure samatha, while neglecting the vipassana that would happen organically, holistically, and simultaneously with developing jhanas according to the EBT suttas.
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frank k wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 4:33 pm
confusedlayman wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 2:56 pm ...
Vism supports that meditator can do jhana and also vipasanna based on jhana
but not at the same time.
And that causes huge problems with how monastics do their main practice.
I've spend 10 years in that Vism. system and have witnessed hundreds, if not thousands of earnest diligent meditators suffering needlessly because they're following a misguided approach.
They spend years chasing a pure samatha, while neglecting the vipassana that would happen organically, holistically, and simultaneously with developing jhanas according to the EBT suttas.
Even in ebt u need to emerge and do vipasanna
I may be slow learner but im at least learning...
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first jhana really can be this easy (35 sec. video demonstration)
https://notesonthedhamma.blogspot.com/2 ... sy-35.html
ha! That chicken is doing vism. and ajahn brahm "real jhana" of absorbing into the parimukham "line drawing nimitta", then emerging from the hypnosis later.

Such cruelty and lack of respect for other living creatures is truly disgusting.


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confusedlayman wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 6:16 pm
frank k wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 4:33 pm
confusedlayman wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 2:56 pm ...
Vism supports that meditator can do jhana and also vipasanna based on jhana
but not at the same time.
And that causes huge problems with how monastics do their main practice.
I've spend 10 years in that Vism. system and have witnessed hundreds, if not thousands of earnest diligent meditators suffering needlessly because they're following a misguided approach.
They spend years chasing a pure samatha, while neglecting the vipassana that would happen organically, holistically, and simultaneously with developing jhanas according to the EBT suttas.
Even in ebt u need to emerge and do vipasanna
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Mindfulness in Plain English, gives a list of items that meditation isn't (a list of 11 misconceptions).
1) Meditation is just a relaxation technique.
2) Meditation means going into a trance.
etc
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confusedlayman wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 6:16 pm
frank k wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 4:33 pm
confusedlayman wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 2:56 pm ...
Vism supports that meditator can do jhana and also vipasanna based on jhana
but not at the same time.
And that causes huge problems with how monastics do their main practice.
I've spend 10 years in that Vism. system and have witnessed hundreds, if not thousands of earnest diligent meditators suffering needlessly because they're following a misguided approach.
They spend years chasing a pure samatha, while neglecting the vipassana that would happen organically, holistically, and simultaneously with developing jhanas according to the EBT suttas.
Even in ebt u need to emerge and do vipasanna
So one does vippassana only in access not in jhana, doesn't one ?
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i dont understand
16. 'In what has the world originated?' — so said the Yakkha Hemavata, — 'with what is the world intimate? by what is the world afflicted, after having grasped at what?' (167)

17. 'In six the world has originated, O Hemavata,' — so said Bhagavat, — 'with six it is intimate, by six the world is afflicted, after having grasped at six.' (168)

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confusedlayman wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 6:16 pm
frank k wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 4:33 pm
confusedlayman wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 2:56 pm ...
Vism supports that meditator can do jhana and also vipasanna based on jhana
but not at the same time.
And that causes huge problems with how monastics do their main practice.
I've spend 10 years in that Vism. system and have witnessed hundreds, if not thousands of earnest diligent meditators suffering needlessly because they're following a misguided approach.
They spend years chasing a pure samatha, while neglecting the vipassana that would happen organically, holistically, and simultaneously with developing jhanas according to the EBT suttas.
Even in ebt u need to emerge and do vipasanna
Can you point to suttas that express this opinion?
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