auto wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 6:22 pm
atipattoh wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 4:09 pm
The second part that Annihilation view is wrong because it takes (misleading) literal scheme of the (31) plain of existence as reference, only sees anuloma,
without patiloma in the contraction mode.
i might be retarded since i don' t know and don't see why patiloma and anuloma are relevant. And i have no attention spawn to follow focus on many things in one post.
You are ignoring one annihilationist can refute another annihilationist by telling there is more subtle being.
I merely pointing out to you that when you speak of annihilation, you are constraining yourself in view 51. Even though view 57 refutes view 56, it is still wrong view.
And, nope, i did not ignore that! That is precisely the allowance in anuloma, but not in patiloma.
How is it not relevant when the Buddha himself declare that anuloma and patiloma attainments are supreme?
auto wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 6:22 pm
what is the point bringing in any further options if either i don't get the fundamentals or you.
And if that matters, then i have hindu "nothing to do with budhism" meditation method. It is rudimentary enough to not require self theories other than focusing upon oneself(atta) which is ridiculously downplayed by budhists noselfers
I'm aware that there are users in this forum call it Hindu practice, but is it?
AN 9.42 Tapussasutta wrote:
With the Householder Tapussa
But when I had entered into and withdrawn from these nine progressive meditative attainments in both forward (order) and reverse
mode, I announced my supreme perfect awakening in this world with its gods, Māras, and Brahmās, this population with its ascetics and brahmins, its gods and humans.
imā nava anupubbavihārasamāpattiyo evaṁ anulomapaṭilomaṁ samāpajjimpi vuṭṭhahimpi, athāhaṁ, ānanda, sadevake loke samārake sabrahmake sassamaṇabrāhmaṇiyā pajāya sadevamanussāya ‘anuttaraṁ sammāsambodhiṁ abhisambuddho’
In order to not to get confused with other religious practice, Buddhist identify further anuloma and patiloma attainments with separate names, without loosing it's flavor and more directly express the practice within. Emptiness released for anuloma, Signless release for patiloma. Unshakable released for (anuloma, patiloma).