Householder traditions are dangerous!

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Hi:

I myself are not a native speaker of the english language, but so far have not being able to understand any of the posts by S Johann haha :roll: .

If he is a monk, maybe posting in his original tongue and wait for someone of the forum to kindly translate his words?

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Some monks are married, as you can see in Tibet or Japan. Maybe that is what OP mean.
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Householder will be reborn in lower realms because dhamma cant be practiced these days
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confusedlayman wrote: Thu Feb 24, 2022 2:18 pm Householder will be reborn in lower realms because dhamma cant be practiced these days
Dhamma can be practised even now. Teaching of the Buddha is here and we can learn and practise meditation. So there isn't certainty that someone will be reborn in lower realm when he or she follows precepts, meditate and study (want to understand) teaching of the Buddha.
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They, those even approved and promoted householder traditions, rooted in social common folk "compassion, have definitive nearly totally destroyed the heritage, driven the Sangha itself into a common social institution, which of course bind long, and lead a huge mass either depressed and could in traps of debts on both sides of relation with no prosperty on either, or into Arupa-spheres wher cut of gaining Nissaya, or direct downwardly put.

And people not even wonder why monks are nothing but busy to serve householder guest and householder are "secluded" involved in finishing the work for the wooden chair on polishing the bark of the tree in the forest. Yet, as the noisy busy monasteries, aren't pleasing for the poor who could chose everything else, "Sangha" are found now everywhere in this new gained market by selling off hunts.

It's told simply for the sake of Vipassanāñāṇaṃ, disenchantment by seeing depending co-arising: going forth-movement.
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Mangaka wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 6:00 am
confusedlayman wrote: Thu Feb 24, 2022 2:18 pm Householder will be reborn in lower realms because dhamma cant be practiced these days
Dhamma can be practised even now. Teaching of the Buddha is here and we can learn and practise meditation. So there isn't certainty that someone will be reborn in lower realm when he or she follows precepts, meditate and study (want to understand) teaching of the Buddha.
Good householder, if one takes refuge in what's bond to house, and assumes it leads beyond, because of this refuge, one bears wrong view, holding on wrong view, one acts on it and what ever Sila will not end at the fullfilment of even the first section. Sure such a person stays insecure into all directions unless gaining refuge to the Buddhas heritage, by those well gone and straight forward.

Who ever wishes in "renouncing-distress"-manner: "Oh, when will I dwell aloft like the Arahat." Whether able to leave in this very life or not, by this right refuge, having heard the good Dhamma with proper attention, e.g. at proper occasion/circumstances, is bound to realize this Dhamma before breaking appart, a secured person, bond to final liberation, no more able to become in lower realms, incapable of animal-like, hellish, hungy-ghost-like suffering forth on.

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