auto wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 5:43 pm
zan wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:48 pm
i'm doing it, reading some abhidhamma and find so much already about the being, that it doesn't die, cease to exist when life ends.
abhidhamma by Narada Thera p305 wrote:By death is meant the extinction of psychic
life (jãvitindriya), heat (usma = tejodhàtu), and consciousness
(vi¤¤àõa) of one individual in a particular existence.
Death is not the complete annihilation of a being.
You're a troll. You'll read through it, cherry pick select lines, repeat them out of context, and claim that they support your soul theories. This, again, is not going to work on anyone who actually has a firm understanding of the commentaries. You might be able to work your tricks on those that only read the suttas, but the commentaries expand on precisely the suttas that you twist to ostensibly prove your points, and explain your reasoning away. The ambiguities you rely on are completely absent in the commentary tradition. The commentaries are so well worded and elaborated in such great depth and length as to avoid specifically this kind of subversion. It's really quite futile to try to twist the words of the commentaries, they are incredibly clear, and even supplemented with sub commentaries, almost as if the ancients foresaw exactly your type of troll.
You'll have just as much luck convincing an orthodox Theravadin of your atta as you will convincing an orthodox Hindu that the Upanishads, Brahma sutra, and Bhagavad Gita, complete with commentary by Ramanuja, support anatta. But I'm not going to try to understand the psychology of internet trolling, and instead will leave you to it. I'll say in parting that I wish you good luck in that I truly hope that through your disingenuous "studies" you see the truth in the Theravada and give up your soul theories, and become an actual Theravadin.
Sabbe dhamma anatta
All things (dhammas) are not self
-SN 44.10
...The Buddha declares that “all phenomena are nonself” (sabbe dhammā anattā), which means that if one seeks a self anywhere one will not find one. Since “all phenomena” includes both the conditioned and the unconditioned, this precludes an utterly transcendent, ineffable self."-Bhikkhu Bodhi's footnote to SN 44.10
Assume all of my words on dhamma could be incorrect. Seek an arahant for truth.
"If we base ourselves on the Pali Nikayas, then we should be compelled to conclude that Buddhism is realistic. There is no explicit denial anywhere of the external world. Nor is there any positive evidence to show that the world is mind-made or simply a projection of subjective thoughts. That Buddhism recognizes the extra-mental existence of matter and the external world is clearly suggested by the texts. Throughout the discourses it is the language of realism that one encounters.
-Y. Karunadasa