Was Buddha motivation for liberation solely for His own ?

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wenjaforever wrote: Tue May 24, 2022 8:35 pm
cappuccino wrote: Tue May 24, 2022 6:30 pmThen nuclear bombs don’t exist?
Nuclear reaction don't exist even. Nuclear submarines and aircraft carriers actually run on hydrogen fuel, they swim in an ocean afterall. How do I multi quote in here?
This has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

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wenjaforever wrote: Tue May 24, 2022 8:55 pm No one is an idealist everyone is an opportunist
Everyone has the opportunity to create karma
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cappuccino wrote: Tue May 24, 2022 9:00 pmEveryone has the opportunity to create karma
Yes and I do karma heists most of the time and they don't have any knowledge about it whatsoever
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wenjaforever wrote: Tue May 24, 2022 9:02 pm Yes and I do karma heists most of the time and they don't have any knowledge about it whatsoever
Stupid people delight in evil
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cappuccino wrote: Tue May 24, 2022 9:03 pmStupid people delight in evil
True and they have no knowledge about how to differ good from evil and Mara is very clever and cunning. As if a deaf man has no knowledge whatsoever about sound. And a colourblind person has no knowledge about colour. Their intelligence are handicapped.
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wenjaforever wrote: Tue May 24, 2022 9:16 pm Their intelligence are handicapped.
Romans 1:20

In other words, everyone knows
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cappuccino wrote: Tue May 24, 2022 9:17 pmRomans 1:20

In other words, everyone knows
I think a lot of the karmic aspects aren't discussed enough in Buddhism since the focus of Buddhism is to defeat samsara.
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wenjaforever wrote: Tue May 24, 2022 9:23 pm I think a lot of the karmic aspects aren't discussed enough in Buddhism
Hell is more real than this life
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cappuccino wrote: Tue May 24, 2022 9:17 pmRomans 1:20

In other words, everyone knows
What do you mean? I'm not Christian but I studied the Bible. Much of the later parts of the new testament are purely made up. Jesus never said any of those. It's political because they are trying to highjack his teachings.
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wenjaforever wrote: Tue May 24, 2022 9:26 pm Jesus never said any of those. It's political
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cappuccino wrote: Tue May 24, 2022 10:07 pmThe essence is clear
I'm sorry but I don't think so. It's a secret test and we are disgusting cockroaches to them. Would the Micheline guy tell you first if he was about to inspect your place so you could put up a fake smile? Again pardon me, I have no intention to offend anyone.
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cappuccino wrote: Tue May 24, 2022 1:06 pm
Of course if you help yourself, only then can you help others
So, are you saying that if you have not attained nibbana, you can’t help others toward liberation?

If that were true, then what is the point of unenlightened monks and other Buddhists who have not attained nibbana spreading the dhamma if it is not helpful?
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Rambutan wrote: Tue May 24, 2022 10:23 pm So, are you saying that if you have not attained nibbana, you can’t help others toward liberation?
Everyone seeking the goal is closer than others who do not seek
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The Buddha wasn't interested in conquering Satan or God because he already did it numerous and multiple times in his many previous past lives. He was only interested in conquering samsara.
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