Too late. Here I am back in the frying pan.
Edit to add: actually I agree with you. Let’s not go back.
Too late. Here I am back in the frying pan.
Finding the right teacher is going to become more and more difficult especially in the future or am I a pessimist?cappuccino wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 3:06 am the method is to just read the teaching
then accept the teaching
that's the entire difficulty
Buddha is the teacher
Tarnation! Dad gum it! No I said yes Siri get it right. You little whippersnapper why do I have to agree with you! Bitter taste grin
How do you start a poll?
How do you start a poll?
you are text on a screen, as am I
You can’t necessarily escape the madness
Not necessarily:
"Friend Sariputta, could a monk have an attainment of concentration such that he would neither be percipient of earth with regard to earth, nor of water with regard to water, nor of fire... wind... the dimension of the infinitude of space... the dimension of the infinitude of consciousness... the dimension of nothingness... the dimension of neither perception nor non-perception... this world... nor of the next world with regard to the next world, and yet he would still be percipient?"
"Yes, friend Ananda, he could..."
AN10.7
One needs to "directly knows earth as earth":The Blessed One said: "There is the case, monks, where an uninstructed run-of-the-mill person — who has no regard for noble ones, is not well-versed or disciplined in their Dhamma; who has no regard for men of integrity, is not well-versed or disciplined in their Dhamma — perceives earth as earth. Perceiving earth as earth, he conceives [things] about earth, he conceives [things] in earth, he conceives [things] coming out of earth, he conceives earth as 'mine,' he delights in earth. Why is that? Because he has not comprehended it, I tell you.
MN1
And the list in MN#1 looks very similar to the one in Sandha sutta.The Trainee
"A monk who is a trainee — yearning for the unexcelled relief from bondage, his aspirations as yet unfulfilled — directly knows earth as earth. Directly knowing earth as earth, let him not conceive things about earth, let him not conceive things in earth, let him not conceive things coming out of earth, let him not conceive earth as 'mine,' let him not delight in earth. Why is that? So that he may comprehend it, I tell you.
MN1
"Should consciousness, when standing (still), stand attached to (a physical) form, supported by form (as its object), established on form, watered with delight, it would exhibit growth, increase, & proliferation. [alex: same for other 4 aggregates]
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"If a monk abandons passion for the property of consciousness, then owing to the abandonment of passion, the support is cut off, and there is no base for consciousness. Consciousness, thus unestablished, not proliferating, not performing any function, is released. Owing to its release, it stands still. Owing to its stillness, it is contented. Owing to its contentment, it is not agitated. Not agitated, he (the monk) is totally unbound right within. He discerns that 'Birth is ended, the holy life fulfilled, the task done. There is nothing further for this world.'
SN22.55
Ah… let me just point out.
The Sandha Sutta described Nirodha samapatti because one is still perceiving. An arahant free with wisdom or free both way is still perceiving after arahanthood.atipattoh wrote:The samadhi in Sandha Sutta refer to saññāvedayitanirodhaṁ; “someone who has attained the cessation of perception and feeling, perception and feeling have ceased”.
MN 74 wrote:Now at that time Venerable Sāriputta was standing behind the Buddha fanning him.
Then he thought, “It seems the Buddha speaks of giving up and letting go all these things through direct knowledge.”
Reflecting like this, Venerable Sāriputta’s mind was freed from the defilements by not grasping.
Note: translation might be off, but the understanding is there.AN 9.36 wrote:…The first jhana is a basis for ending the defilements.’ That’s what I said, but why did I say it?
Take a mendicant who, detached from sensual pleasures, detached from unskillful qualities, enters and remains in the first jhana. They contemplate the phenomena there—included in rupa, vedana, sanna, sankhara, and vinnana—as impermanent, as suffering, as diseased, as a boil, as a dart, as misery, as an affliction, as alien, as falling apart, as empty, as not-self.
They turn their mind away from those things, and apply it to the deathless:
‘This is peaceful; this is sublime—that is, the stilling of all activities, the letting go of all attachments, the ending of craving, fading away, cessation, extinguishment.’
Abiding in that they attain the ending of defilements.
If they don’t attain the ending of defilements, with the ending of the five lower fetters they’re reborn spontaneously, because of their passion and love for that meditation. They are extinguished there, and are not liable to return from that world…
A puthujjana is possible.
The above means “Who fully understood good behavior and living according to the knowledge”vijjacaranasampanno
The Buddha made mistakes. One of his mistakes lead to a number of monks killing themselves.Joe.c wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 11:43 amA puthujjana is possible.
But, A fully Awaken One/ Buddha can’t make any single mistake because whatever Awaken one acts, speaks, thinks is always right. His teaching is clear and concise without any defects.
Try to understandThe above means “Who fully understood good behavior and living according to the knowledge”vijjacaranasampanno