Stop looking for a Method... it's already there.

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Alex123 wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 1:29 pm Here is very important thing->
Where did the Buddha ever talk about rūpa jhāna?

rūpajhāna were not mentioned in the pali suttas! I just did a search of entire tipitaka.
The fault is on the tradition?

I have expected that you might resort to this direction; do you notice that I purposely put a bracket on the word rupa?
Did you not notice that I use words like samadhi 1~8?

When a person says rupa jhana, it help to simplify identification, for communication. Whether the Buddha says rupa jhana or not, attainment 1~4 involves rupa.

You are using a sutta that directly mention rupa in element form, that is involved in jhana 1~4, explaining it as the opposite of what it meant to say, placing entire samadhi 1~8, aka rupa jhana and arupa jhana, as a wrong jhana.

"Unbroken" does not mean wrong, within samadhi; within view, yes. The direction of progressive cessation is not wrong. But your post placing it as wrong, though not intentionally!
You still not see that mistake?
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atipattoh wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 4:48 am ...

The feeling part has ceased when one reach 4th jhana. There is only neutral after 4th jhana. But Sanna is still there. The mind, Citta and Mano, have not ceased. But one can reduce the components of the mind further in ayatana (also known as arupa).

Well I said keep practice, maybe in due time in far future you will understand. 😅

Not now unfortunately.
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Joe.c wrote: Sat Jun 25, 2022 1:11 am The feeling part has ceased when one reach 4th jhana. There is only neutral after 4th jhana. But Sanna is still there. The mind, Citta and Mano, have not ceased. But one can reduce the components of the mind further in ayatana (also known as arupa).

Well I said keep practice, maybe in due time in far future you will understand. 😅

Not now unfortunately.
Can you point out which part that I say, mind ceases in rupajhana? What I said was quite the opposite of your above assertion!

It seems you are over estimating your attainment? Be careful 😂
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atipattoh wrote: Sat Jun 25, 2022 1:56 am Can you point out which part that I say, mind ceases in rupajhana? What I said was quite the opposite of your above assertion!

It seems you are over estimating your attainment? Be careful 😂
Good luck Joe c. I couldn’t find it. Misunderstanding and miscommunication is so easy in the digital realm.

Everyone makes mistakes even the Buddha.

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NotMe wrote: Sat Jun 25, 2022 2:34 am Everyone makes mistakes even the Buddha.
Example?
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cappuccino wrote: Sat Jun 25, 2022 2:36 am
NotMe wrote: Sat Jun 25, 2022 2:34 am Everyone makes mistakes even the Buddha.
Example?
I ain’t your sutta fetch and carry but if you look you will find one:

The Buddha lectured monks on the foulness of the body. He went off for a bit and came back. Asked where are all the monks? Answer they had all hired assassin’s. The Buddha lectured the remaining monks that suicide was not cool.

And the story maybe sutta I don’t know, Goes like this the Buddha awoke. After seven days of bliss, he opened his eyes. He saw the world and its people all a flame. He thought “I cannot teach. What I have learned is too subtle for these people.” The highest high Deva came down, “you must teach because we can learn and so may a few humans.”

The Buddha looked again and the rest is history…

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NotMe wrote: Sat Jun 25, 2022 2:45 am The Buddha lectured the remaining monks that suicide was not cool.
Not his mistake
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cappuccino wrote: Sat Jun 25, 2022 2:46 am
NotMe wrote: Sat Jun 25, 2022 2:45 am The Buddha lectured the remaining monks that suicide was not cool.
Not his mistake
Sorry but if I was the teacher I would say I did not have a complete vision of my teaching results. I would reflect and learn from the mistakes I had made. But that’s just me not an alloing Buddha like you. Forgive me my sins. Edit to self: Chill buddy, chill.
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NotMe wrote: Sat Jun 25, 2022 2:48 am Forgive me my sins.
Different religion
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cappuccino wrote: Sat Jun 25, 2022 2:52 am
NotMe wrote: Sat Jun 25, 2022 2:48 am Forgive me my sins.
Different religion
Same hell for sinners and errant humanoids.
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NotMe wrote: Sat Jun 25, 2022 2:53 am
cappuccino wrote: Sat Jun 25, 2022 2:52 am
NotMe wrote: Sat Jun 25, 2022 2:48 am Forgive me my sins.
Different religion
Same hell for sinners and errant humanoids.
If you accept hell is real, you’re partly enlightened
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cappuccino wrote: Sat Jun 25, 2022 2:54 am
NotMe wrote: Sat Jun 25, 2022 2:53 am
cappuccino wrote: Sat Jun 25, 2022 2:52 am

Different religion
Same hell for sinners and errant humanoids.
If you accept hell is real, you’re partly enlightened
Dude, I don’t need your help to prove to everyone I ain’t there yet. I can do that on my own thank you.
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some people will never accept hell is real


at least until they find themselves in hell
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cappuccino wrote: Sat Jun 25, 2022 2:57 am some people will never accept hell is real


at least until they find themselves in hell
Been there done that. What do you think the last five minutes online with you is been? I hope you feel my hug andmy big grin Cappy!
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NotMe wrote: Sat Jun 25, 2022 2:59 am Been there done that.
Don’t go back
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