thepea wrote: ↑Thu Jun 23, 2022 1:37 am
Let’s explore further.
There is the order of bhikkus and the order of bhikkunis and bhikkunis must adhere to additional vinyana.
If you have understood the whole vinaya, it is used to protect true dhamma & people who have gone forth and want to practice hard to understand true dhamma. One who doesn’t want to practice usually will fall from the sangha due to the difficulty to keep/maintain the vinaya. And hopefully the sangha can remain pure (aka fill with ariya), but impossible nowadays.
But for one who has transcend the wordly thing (completely detached from 5 senses and reach samma sati/ samma samadhi), those vinaya is easy. One just needs to keep ariyan precepts in daily life and watch/maintain the samadhi/sati for 24/7. And continue to maintain all the skillful/wholesome behaviors that have been developed until one reach arahanthood.
Btw it is not easy to reach arahant level, it may take time unless one has developed their morality & mind in the past. Although DO doesn’t involve time, but the development of faculties take time. Buddha know this, so he never push his disciples. But he did recommend one who has gone forth to reach samma samadhi (jhana) so they are at least reach non returner level or higher. No need to suffer more in sensual realms in future at the very least.
We have situations in the lay world where a man is transitioning to a woman identity and these women are being given the opportunity to compete in female sporting events. This man ultimately believes he is a woman and apparently everyone must go along with this or.
This thing is worldly thing. World will always change, no one can control. But you can control your destiny. Like I can control mine as well. But you and I can’t change people who don’t want to listen or have their own agenda.
Like i said if you want to continue to practice in the path, you need to abandon all views/identities and keep only 4NT. If you can’t, then take a baby step first such as maintain good morality for 24/7. Even this is difficult, alas there is no easy way.
you are transphobic
Lol. You can certainly have your own opinion. But just try to understand true dhamma, you will understand I’m not. I’m just repeating what Buddha implied in his teaching.
His teaching of ending of dukkhas is truly marvelous, unsurpassable by anyone even the gods/deva.
Now from a dhamma perspective can a woman identify as a man and ordain as a bhikku and bypass the extra vinyana rules and any difficulties bhikkunis experience in past?
Also, ultimately I may feel I am nothing but wavelets and bubbles or feel I am another past life regression but apparently to others I am a man in this reality with wife and offspring. Is the expectation on everyone else to play along and support my ultimate realities or can each make their own judgements based on the reality they experience from moment to moment?
Nowadays it is just difficult to know who really know the true dhamma. Almost everything look the same. But you can weed out the fake one once you have the wisdom. The true dhamma is still in Sutta. If one can understand, one can surely enter the stream. But need to learn, practice and maintain for 24/7.
Like I said ultimate dhamma such as DO is not for lay people. Lay people just needs to hear true dhamma first from ariya and practice morality (5 precepts) in daily life (24/7). From there one can progress. There is no meaning if one is still attach to the worldly things and try to understand the whole DO. It is impossible to understand unfortunately because one also needs the development of faculties for support.
But nowadays lay people practice meditation, which Buddha never even teach to lay follower in the past except some persons who have entered the stream, and developed their morality & mind to certain extent.
Good luck though.