is Nibbāna permanent?
Re: is Nibbāna permanent?
Before coming to your question , perhaps first you should be asking : what is nibbana ?
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Re: is Nibbāna permanent?
As an achievement: Since according to doctrine it has a beginning "permanent" does not apply.
As an ultimate reality that is cognized at the end of the path: yes.
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Re: is Nibbāna permanent?
Accurately speaking, it is irreversible.
To our intellectual mind, it is aka permanent.
like we say a blow to the mirror, the damage is permanent.
To our intellectual mind, it is aka permanent.
like we say a blow to the mirror, the damage is permanent.
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wrong, but you don’t care if you’re right
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Re: is Nibbāna permanent?
It doesn't matter much at all for liberation.
As long as we are not there, it can rain fire from sky, spew acid from ground.
or it can be permanent.
I am sure it won't be a bother.
As long as we are not there, it can rain fire from sky, spew acid from ground.
or it can be permanent.
I am sure it won't be a bother.
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Re: is Nibbāna permanent?
not there?Jack19990101 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:34 pm As long as we are not there, it can rain fire from sky, spew acid from ground.
that's how it will feel
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Re: is Nibbāna permanent?
It is the Unformed, the Unconditioned, the End,
the Truth, the Other Shore, the Subtle,
the Everlasting, the Invisible, the Undiversified,
Peace, the Deathless, the Blest, Safety,
the Wonderful, the Marvellous,
Nibbæna, Purity, Freedom,
the Island,
the Refuge, the Beyond.
~ S 43.1-44
the Truth, the Other Shore, the Subtle,
the Everlasting, the Invisible, the Undiversified,
Peace, the Deathless, the Blest, Safety,
the Wonderful, the Marvellous,
Nibbæna, Purity, Freedom,
the Island,
the Refuge, the Beyond.
~ S 43.1-44
Re: is Nibbāna permanent?
First: what I've said is that there are two perspectives. Both perspectives are expounded by doctrine although I've mentioned "doctrine" explicitly only in context of the first perspective:
Second: I don't care whether what I express correponds with your personal belief because my scientific interest is focused on the doctrine not on individuals' beliefs.
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I don’t have a personal belief
Re: is Nibbāna permanent?
Call your belief whatever you like, it is your belief. What is evident however is the doctrine because it is written down.
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the Everlasting… the Deathless… Safety,
Nirvana…
~ S 43.1-44
Re: is Nibbāna permanent?
That may refer to that which is cognized. Nevertheless there are numerous accounts of nibbana as achievement at the end of the path and since this achievement has a beginning "permanent" does not apply.cappuccino wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:55 pmthe Everlasting… the Deathless… Safety,
Nirvana…
~ S 43.1-44
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Re: is Nibbāna permanent?
You still think so