Monks in Bagan in need of food

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Monks in Bagan in need of food

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Re: Monks in Bagan in need of food

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Lucas Oliveira wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:04 pm Monks in Bagan in need of food
https://insightmyanmar.org/blog/2022/5/ ... ed-of-food

A $4 rice bag for monastics in Bagan!
https://insightmyanmar.org/blog/2022/6/ ... s-in-bagan

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That's a lot of rice for a day' meal, last i checked monks weren't allowed to store food. I will check again,
pācittiya 38

"yo pana bhikkhu sannidhikāramaṃ khādanīyaṃ bojanīyaṃ vā khādeyya vā bhuñjeyya vā, pācittiaṃ.

Not to store food at afternoon time. A bhikkhu who consumes food, or a drink, after having kept it for a period exceeding a day after it was offered, commits the pācittiya 38 (food can be re-offered to a bhikkhu only if it has been abandoned the preceding night). All foods become "stored food" at dawn in the morning following the offering.
https://en.dhammadana.org/sangha/vinaya ... m#ch----38
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Re: Monks in Bagan in need of food

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User13866 wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:39 pm
edit to self: ignore trolls you idiot!
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NotMe wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:45 pm
User13866 wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:39 pm That's a lot of rice for a day' meal, last i checked monks weren't allowed to store food. I will check again,
pācittiya 38

"yo pana bhikkhu sannidhikāramaṃ khādanīyaṃ bojanīyaṃ vā khādeyya vā bhuñjeyya vā, pācittiaṃ.

Not to store food at afternoon time. A bhikkhu who consumes food, or a drink, after having kept it for a period exceeding a day after it was offered, commits the pācittiya 38 (food can be re-offered to a bhikkhu only if it has been abandoned the preceding night). All foods become "stored food" at dawn in the morning following the offering.
Oh good lord, the parisa stores it.

edit: cooks and serves it too

edit to self: ignore trolls you idiot!
The link says
We will donate smaller sacks of 4 Pyis (approximately equivalent to 8.5 kilos) of alms-rice to each monk and nun instead of going to all monasteries and nunneries.
...
for the monks and nuns to transport back to their abodes.
Explain to me how this is allowed and i will donate 400$
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NotMe wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:50 pm
User13866 wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:48 pm
NotMe wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:45 pm

Oh good lord, the parisa stores it.

edit: cooks and serves it too

edit to self: ignore trolls you idiot!
The link says
We will donate smaller sacks of 4 Pyis (approximately equivalent to 8.5 kilos) of alms-rice to each monk and nun instead of going to all monasteries and nunneries.
...
for the monks and nuns to transport back to their abodes.
Explain to me how this is allowed and i will donate 400$
The monasteries and nunneries have lay helpers for the monks - some each and every one, others serve multiple ordained. Pay up.
Well then the money and rice should go to these lay helpers who then ration out the daily rice meal, a day at a time.

These people want to give 8 kg of alms rice to the monks to take to their abodes

How is this not a storing of offered alms food?
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User13866 wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:03 pmYou haven't explained how it's allowable...
Have you ever heard of a "shabbes goy?"

I'm sure it wouldn't be allowable in some communities. It's a lot easier to be a rigourist in good times with plentiful resources. It's even easier to be a rigourist when not even ordained and commenting on the holy life in the manner of a "backseat driver!"
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NotMe wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:09 pm
Coëmgenu wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:07 pm Have you ever heard of a "shabbes goy?"

I'm sure it wouldn't be allowable in some communities. It's a lot easier to be a rigourist in good times with plentiful resources. It's even easier to he a rigourist when not even ordained and commenting on the holy life in the manner of a "backseat driver!"
I was thinking in front of the cemetery in Dodge City Kansas at high noon. Mano a Mano. Historical battles took place there.
I take this as presumptive evidence of backing out.
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User13866 wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:08 pm You can't name yourself in communal arbitration of a dispute.
There you go changing the rules after the ball is in play. Two separate people I give and it ain't right with you.
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NotMe wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:13 pm
User13866 wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:08 pm
NotMe wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:06 pm

MyNotSelf and my self. If I don't who will?

You go.
You can't name yourself in communal arbitration of a dispute. You make a list of a few respected members of the community and i pick 2 from your list. I will do the same and you pick from my list. If they agree then it's on, if not then we pick others.
There you go changing the rules after the ball is in play. Two separate people I give and it ain't right with you.

Patti Smyth says this is a Scandal! and sings along with me - Goodbye to you!

I am not changing rules, i am giving you options. This is a freeroll for you... I can't allow you to name yourself for arbitration, obviously.

Name 5 active users and i will do the same, picking 1 or 2 from the list, you decide 1 or 2. This is to avoid collusion.

You have 1 hour.
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User13866 wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:15 pm I am not changing rules, i am giving you options. This is a freeroll for you... I can't allow you to name yourself for arbitration, obviously.
You copy the official handbook that guides communal arbitration PASTE IT HERE and I'll then decide if I want to commune with you, but don't hold your breath.
edit to add: My faves are all not active! Ben, Tilt, LazyEye, - that leaves Retro and DNS as my only two - take it or leave it you lying scoundrel creating scandals you!
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NotMe wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:19 pm
User13866 wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:15 pm
NotMe wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:13 pm

There you go changing the rules after the ball is in play. Two separate people I give and it ain't right with you.

Patti Smyth says this is a Scandal! and sings along with me - Goodbye to you!

I am not changing rules, i am giving you options. This is a freeroll for you... I can't allow you to name yourself for arbitration, obviously.

Name 5 active users and i will do the same, picking 1 or 2 from the list, you decide 1 or 2. This is to avoid collusion.
You copy the official handbook that guides communal arbitration PASTE IT HERE and I'll then decide if I want to commune with you, but don't hold your breath.

WHERE IS THE $400!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Name 5 active users and i will do the same, picking 1 or 2 from the list, you decide 1 or 2. This is to avoid collusion.

You have 1 hour.

I name DNS, Retro, Coemgenu, Ontheway, Sam Vara
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User13866 wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:25 pm
NotMe wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:19 pm
User13866 wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:15 pm
I am not changing rules, i am giving you options. This is a freeroll for you... I can't allow you to name yourself for arbitration, obviously.

Name 5 active users and i will do the same, picking 1 or 2 from the list, you decide 1 or 2. This is to avoid collusion.
You copy the official handbook that guides communal arbitration PASTE IT HERE and I'll then decide if I want to commune with you, but don't hold your breath.

WHERE IS THE $400!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Name 5 active users and i will do the same, picking 1 or 2 from the list, you decide 1 or 2. This is to avoid collusion.

You have 1 hour.

I name DNS, Retro, Coemgenu, Ontheway, Sam Vara
we haven't agreed on the rules. How about high noon - Dodge City - your choices vs my choices
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User13866 wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:25 pmI name DNS, Retro, Coemgenu, Ontheway, Sam Vara
I will pre-emptively decline to represent you in this lay arbitration you are trying to set up.
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Re: Monks in Bagan in need of food

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Coëmgenu wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:32 pm
User13866 wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:25 pmI name DNS, Retro, Coemgenu, Ontheway, Sam Vara
I will pre-emptively decline to represent you in this lay arbitration you are trying to set up.
It's not representing me. You could've voted either way. Now that that you have declined i have to change you out because i assume you might be voting with prejudice due to your dislike of me.

I'll put Jack19990101 instead
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