Part of you has to die
Part of you has to die
I heard a theravadan monk say this, but I'm not sure what he meant. Any monastics know what this phrase means in terms of the path?
Take care of mindfulness and mindfulness will take care of you.
Re: Part of you has to die
Obviously this monk was an eternalist because there is no reason to speak of "part of you" in terms of your death. I think that the buddhist doctrine of rebirth necessarily entails eternalist views.
Cleared. αδόξαστος.
Re: Part of you has to die
I suppose that it mean that we need to loose/let go/desenchant about the thing that we are most attached to, to loose something we are most identify with.
Loosing the job that we identify with is a little death for our self.
Loosing one's wife or friend is a little death for our self.
Loosing one's delusion about the nature of conditioned things is a big death...
Little deaths can be reconstructed or healed, but a big death fills the mind with dispassion and freedom.
When we loose ownership of our body, feelings, perceptions, formations, sense consciousness - we feel relief from the burden of the death, loosing ownership of our khandhas is the death before the death. One who is already dead can not die again, so Mara have no more power over one who is free from birth and death.
In order to get free from birth and death we have to understand birth and death.
To understand them we have to look at them closely and clearly, look how dukkha arises, how it changes, and how it ceasses by it's own... More it dies, more we get free from it. Because all that dies is not me, mine, my self... Our mind need to understand this simple truth... so let it understand it...
Imho
We don't live Samsara, Samsara is living us...
"Form, feelings, perceptions, formations, consciousness - don't care about us, we don't exist for them"
"Form, feelings, perceptions, formations, consciousness - don't care about us, we don't exist for them"
Re: Part of you has to die
Thank you AlinoAlino wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 8:17 pmI suppose that it mean that we need to loose/let go/desenchant about the thing that we are most attached to, to loose something we are most identify with.
Loosing the job that we identify with is a little death for our self.
Loosing one's wife or friend is a little death for our self.
Loosing one's delusion about the nature of conditioned things is a big death...
Little deaths can be reconstructed or healed, but a big death fills the mind with dispassion and freedom.
When we loose ownership of our body, feelings, perceptions, formations, sense consciousness - we feel relief from the burden of the death, loosing ownership of our khandhas is the death before the death. One who is already dead can not die again, so Mara have no more power over one who is free from birth and death.
In order to get free from birth and death we have to understand birth and death.
To understand them we have to look at them closely and clearly, look how dukkha arises, how it changes, and how it ceasses by it's own... More it dies, more we get free from it. Because all that dies is not me, mine, my self... Our mind need to understand this simple truth... so let it understand it...
Imho
Take care of mindfulness and mindfulness will take care of you.
Re: Part of you has to die
Hopefully now you can die relaxed - not bothering whether it*s only a part of you or just you.befriend wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:06 pmThank you AlinoAlino wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 8:17 pmI suppose that it mean that we need to loose/let go/desenchant about the thing that we are most attached to, to loose something we are most identify with.
Loosing the job that we identify with is a little death for our self.
Loosing one's wife or friend is a little death for our self.
Loosing one's delusion about the nature of conditioned things is a big death...
Little deaths can be reconstructed or healed, but a big death fills the mind with dispassion and freedom.
When we loose ownership of our body, feelings, perceptions, formations, sense consciousness - we feel relief from the burden of the death, loosing ownership of our khandhas is the death before the death. One who is already dead can not die again, so Mara have no more power over one who is free from birth and death.
In order to get free from birth and death we have to understand birth and death.
To understand them we have to look at them closely and clearly, look how dukkha arises, how it changes, and how it ceasses by it's own... More it dies, more we get free from it. Because all that dies is not me, mine, my self... Our mind need to understand this simple truth... so let it understand it...
Imho
Cleared. αδόξαστος.
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Re: Part of you has to die
Are there any suttas which mention a part of someone dying?
Alino's answer makes good sense.
Alino's answer makes good sense.
Re: Part of you has to die
Why are you talking?
Take care of mindfulness and mindfulness will take care of you.
Re: Part of you has to die
He meant when walking the Buddhist path in this life, not life after death, or anything about rebirth. Sorry for the angry speech, I realize now it may not have been clear what I meant.
Take care of mindfulness and mindfulness will take care of you.
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Every part of "you" have to "die" until nothing of "you" remains to achieve full liberation.
Because the "you" or "I" is a fabrication.
It's "death" by a thousand cuts.
The "death" is not physical death as all death is mental.
Because the "you" or "I" is a fabrication.
It's "death" by a thousand cuts.
The "death" is not physical death as all death is mental.
And what are the fermentations to be abandoned by seeing?
"This is how he attends inappropriately: 'Was I in the past? Was I not in the past? What was I in the past? How was I in the past? Having been what, what was I in the past? Shall I be in the future? Shall I not be in the future? What shall I be in the future? How shall I be in the future? Having been what, what shall I be in the future?' Or else he is inwardly perplexed about the immediate present: 'Am I? Am I not? What am I? How am I? Where has this being come from? Where is it bound?'
"As he attends inappropriately in this way, one of six kinds of view arises in him: The view I have a self arises in him as true & established, or the view I have no self... or the view It is precisely by means of self that I perceive self... or the view It is precisely by means of self that I perceive not-self... or the view It is precisely by means of not-self that I perceive self arises in him as true & established, or else he has a view like this: This very self of mine — the knower that is sensitive here & there to the ripening of good & bad actions — is the self of mine that is constant, everlasting, eternal, not subject to change, and will stay just as it is for eternity. This is called a thicket of views, a wilderness of views, a contortion of views, a writhing of views, a fetter of views. Bound by a fetter of views, the uninstructed run-of-the-mill person is not freed from birth, aging, & death, from sorrow, lamentation, pain, distress, & despair. He is not freed, I tell you, from suffering & stress.
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Re: Part of you has to die
There is a mention of mental death as in dying before you actually do.JamesTheGiant wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:13 pm Are there any suttas which mention a part of someone dying?
Alino's answer makes good sense.
The Blessed One said, "Mindfulness of death, when developed & pursued, is of great fruit & great benefit. It gains a footing in the Deathless, has the Deathless as its final end. Therefore you should develop mindfulness of death."
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html
And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech.
Re: Part of you has to die
Don't know the context but I would interpret that as the part of you that identifies with a "self" has to die in order to progress on the path. We are told that reaching Stream Entry includes the death of the idea of a unique unchangeable self. That is a pretty big nut to swallow for most people.
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Re: Part of you has to die
Rebirth is not teaching - it is a statement of human problem, it is not part of solution.
All problems are extension of wrong view - it is only natural rebirth process is sustained by wrong view.
Believe in rebirth, is not implying one possesses wrong view.
It means that they believe in Buddha's description of problem.
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Re: Part of you has to die
Although I take misunderstanding of each others in dhamma discussion, is rather normal.
yet this one is only a silly child would be capable of.
Try to read it again, this time, with a pause after word 'natural'.
Here, I have made extra yard attempt to fix the confusion from my part.
I think next, you gonna continue under-aged play with a camouflage tantrum/aggression over the internet.
Of course, I always maintain a light hope that there are a few who is disciplined enough to abstain from such an obnoxious move. Very patterned, that move feels like a ritual many religiously follow.
My advice is not to do it. It gets no effect on me. But to u, u will feel regrets later on, making your mind muddle.
yet this one is only a silly child would be capable of.
Try to read it again, this time, with a pause after word 'natural'.
Here, I have made extra yard attempt to fix the confusion from my part.
I think next, you gonna continue under-aged play with a camouflage tantrum/aggression over the internet.
Of course, I always maintain a light hope that there are a few who is disciplined enough to abstain from such an obnoxious move. Very patterned, that move feels like a ritual many religiously follow.
My advice is not to do it. It gets no effect on me. But to u, u will feel regrets later on, making your mind muddle.
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Re: Part of you has to die
Without more context as far as what was said, I'm afraid we can't explain what the monk was saying or what he meant. Of course conventionally, all of what "you" identify as "you" is not going to survive. If you say anything else on DW, you get called an "eternalist", so I'll leave it there.