gloss of 'nāga': the dragon is real, not an imaginary 'myth'
gloss of 'nāga': the dragon is real, not an imaginary 'myth'
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Re: gloss of 'nāga': the dragon is real, not an imaginary 'myth'
So dragons are real? Talking, flying, magical-powered shape-changing dragons that we read about in the suttas?
And not in some other realm, but actually on our Earth about 2500 years ago.
And not in some other realm, but actually on our Earth about 2500 years ago.
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Re: gloss of 'nāga': the dragon is real, not an imaginary 'myth'
The lack of evidence for such a super-predator is striking. Strange we haven’t found any fossils of said beasts in my dragon country, Wales.JamesTheGiant wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 7:56 pm So dragons are real? Talking, flying, magical-powered shape-changing dragons that we read about in the suttas?
And not in some other realm, but actually on our Earth about 2500 years ago.
“Knowing that this body is just like foam,
understanding it has the nature of a mirage,
cutting off Māra’s flower-tipped arrows,
one should go beyond the King of Death’s sight.”
understanding it has the nature of a mirage,
cutting off Māra’s flower-tipped arrows,
one should go beyond the King of Death’s sight.”
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Re: gloss of 'nāga': the dragon is real, not an imaginary 'myth'
There's a strange discrimination against nāga (dragon) that isn't there for other not easily verifiable things in the suttas.JamesTheGiant wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 7:56 pm So dragons are real? Talking, flying, magical-powered shape-changing dragons that we read about in the suttas?
And not in some other realm, but actually on our Earth about 2500 years ago.
Are the heaven of the 4 great kings mythological?
Heaven of 33?
Brahma?
Māra?
Any devas and ghosts?
Brahma, many other deva realms can change their appearance at will, taking on humanoid, animal form.
Why is it hard to believe nāgas (who are supposed to have excellent samādhi and psychic power) can do so as well?
The vinaya has a rule preventing a dragon (who temporarily took human form) from ordaining as a bhikkhu.
Is that a myth too?
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Re: gloss of 'nāga': the dragon is real, not an imaginary 'myth'
anyone know the exact vinaya reference for this?
https://www.budsas.org/ebud/ebsut020.htm
... Once a Naga, a powerful serpent who can take the form of a human being, was mistakenly ordained as a monk. Shortly after, when asleep in his hut, the naga returned to the shape of a huge snake. The monk who shared the hut was somewhat alarmed when he woke up to see a great snake sleeping next to him! The Lord Buddha summoned the naga and told him he may not remain as a monk, at which the utterly disconsolate snake began to weep. The snake was given the Five Precepts as the means to attaining a human existence in his next life when he can then be a monk. Then out of compassion for the sad snake, the Lord Buddha said that from then on all candidates for the monkhood be called 'Naga' as a consolation. They are still called 'Naga' to this day.
https://www.budsas.org/ebud/ebsut020.htm
... Once a Naga, a powerful serpent who can take the form of a human being, was mistakenly ordained as a monk. Shortly after, when asleep in his hut, the naga returned to the shape of a huge snake. The monk who shared the hut was somewhat alarmed when he woke up to see a great snake sleeping next to him! The Lord Buddha summoned the naga and told him he may not remain as a monk, at which the utterly disconsolate snake began to weep. The snake was given the Five Precepts as the means to attaining a human existence in his next life when he can then be a monk. Then out of compassion for the sad snake, the Lord Buddha said that from then on all candidates for the monkhood be called 'Naga' as a consolation. They are still called 'Naga' to this day.
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Re: gloss of 'nāga': the dragon is real, not an imaginary 'myth'
So basically heavenly animals?
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Re: gloss of 'nāga': the dragon is real, not an imaginary 'myth'
From my understanding Nagas were a folk who lived in India and Sri lanka too known historically. Nagas community were so known because they worshipped nagas as understood to be Cobras. Any connection of Cobras with these heavenly nagas is question. When lord budda was said to have been protected by a large Naga king the picture of a large cobra is drawn protected with its expanded head . The name of this cobra being Muchalinda is also believed to be the king of a Naga community who lived in India.frank k wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 1:50 pm anyone know the exact vinaya reference for this?
https://www.budsas.org/ebud/ebsut020.htm
... Once a Naga, a powerful serpent who can take the form of a human being, was mistakenly ordained as a monk. Shortly after, when asleep in his hut, the naga returned to the shape of a huge snake. The monk who shared the hut was somewhat alarmed when he woke up to see a great snake sleeping next to him! The Lord Buddha summoned the naga and told him he may not remain as a monk, at which the utterly disconsolate snake began to weep. The snake was given the Five Precepts as the means to attaining a human existence in his next life when he can then be a monk. Then out of compassion for the sad snake, the Lord Buddha said that from then on all candidates for the monkhood be called 'Naga' as a consolation. They are still called 'Naga' to this day.