Chakra and qualities

[Ceisiwr]

No it isn’t, in its current forms. I think the Abhidhamma can add some unnecessary level of complexity. I see chakras as more of the same. It’s just not needed.

When you reject chakra, you reject everything else tied to it too. Unless you have superficial understanding of them like Ceomengu has that they are flesh only, i don't see how one could possible reject chakras when still trying to attain something from meditation/spiritual life.

I’m happy with that since virtue, sense-restraint, Jhana and awakening have nothing to do with them. Monks and nuns have been practicing the NEFP for centuries without said theory.

[auto]

I’m happy with that since virtue, sense-restraint, Jhana and awakening have nothing to do with them. Monks and nuns have been practicing the NEFP for centuries without said theory.

these things are included, taken care of in tantra.

[Ceisiwr]

I’m happy with that since virtue, sense-restraint, Jhana and awakening have nothing to do with them. Monks and nuns have been practicing the NEFP for centuries without said theory.

these things are included, taken care of in tantra.

I’m sure Tantra includes them, but they don’t require Tantra.

[auto]

I’m happy with that since virtue, sense-restraint, Jhana and awakening have nothing to do with them. Monks and nuns have been practicing the NEFP for centuries without said theory.

these things are included, taken care of in tantra.

I’m sure Tantra includes them, but they don’t require Tantra.

tantra goes further. some arhants caught blood when they hear there is more to do.

you told that you go slow way, and also like to make yourself inept too when restricting oneself from saying bad words.

[Ceisiwr]

these things are included, taken care of in tantra.

I’m sure Tantra includes them, but they don’t require Tantra.

tantra goes further. some arhants caught blood when they hear there is more to do.

That Tantra goes further and that Arahants have more to do isn’t something I agree with, nor the majority of this site. Wrong forum I’m afraid.

[Coëmgenu]

materialist pseudoacademic nonsense

Buddhist Tantra, as far as the human being and the human mind is concerned, is actually predicated upon medieval Indian materialism. The mind is only the winds. There is no such thing as something immaterial that exists. Malcolm and many Tāntrikas will defend this doctrine to the grave. They even believe that the formless beings are comprised of the rūpa of the air-element. This doctrine appears as a "heretical thesis" assigned to the Vibhajyavādins in the Mahāvibhāṣa, among other places.

[Ceisiwr]

materialist pseudoacademic nonsense

Buddhist Tantra, as far as the human being and the human mind is concerned, is actually predicated upon medieval Indian materialism. The mind is only the winds. There is no such thing as something immaterial that exists. Malcolm and many Tāntrikas will defend this doctrine to the grave. They even believe that the formless beings are comprised of the rūpa of the air-element. This doctrine appears as a "heretical thesis" assigned to the Vibhajyavādins in the Mahāvibhāṣa, among other places.

I thought it was the other way around? The Sarvāstivādins had it that there is rupa in the immaterial realms, whilst the Vibhajyavādins argued the opposite?

[Coëmgenu]

In the preamble to the Mahāvibhāṣa, it states that the purposes of its writing were to refute the novel doctrines of the Vibhajyavādin sect, such as that there was saññā (lit. "a subtle mind") in saññavedayitanirodha and that formless beings are comprised of form.

[auto]

That Tantra goes further and that Arahants have more to do isn’t something I agree with, nor the majority of this site. Wrong forum I’m afraid.

so you write things like 'tantra is nothing to do with dhamma' because it is theravada forum.

[Ceisiwr]

In the preamble to the Mahāvibhāṣa, it states that the purposes of its writing were to refute the novel doctrines of the Vibhajyavādin sect, such as that there was saññā (lit. "a subtle mind") in saññavedayitanirodha and that formless beings are comprised of form.

I see. I stand corrected. Theravāda was an exception then.

[Coëmgenu]

Tamraparṇiya Vibhajyavādins seem have to been rather distinct from their continental brothers.

[Ceisiwr]

That Tantra goes further and that Arahants have more to do isn’t something I agree with, nor the majority of this site. Wrong forum I’m afraid.

so you write things like 'tantra is nothing to do with dhamma' because it is theravada forum.

I say that tantra has nothing to do with the NEFP, because there is no evidence that it has something to do with it. Based on the evidence we have tantra developed much later in Buddhist thought.

[Coëmgenu]

At the same time, obviously the Tantric self-narrative is that Buddhas teach the Tantras and that the Tantras have the eightfold path within them. Any Buddhist sect worth its salt will claim that.

[auto]

That Tantra goes further and that Arahants have more to do isn’t something I agree with, nor the majority of this site. Wrong forum I’m afraid.

so you write things like 'tantra is nothing to do with dhamma' because it is theravada forum.

I say that tantra has nothing to do with the NEFP, because there is no evidence that it has something to do with it. Based on the evidence we have tantra developed much later in Buddhist thought.

any path what has n8fp elements in it is capable to produce noblemen. Tantra produces noblemen.

[Ceisiwr]

so you write things like 'tantra is nothing to do with dhamma' because it is theravada forum.

I say that tantra has nothing to do with the NEFP, because there is no evidence that it has something to do with it. Based on the evidence we have tantra developed much later in Buddhist thought.

any path what has n8fp elements in it is capable to produce noblemen. Tantra produces noblemen.

If Tantra produces Arahants isn't something i'm going to speculate on. The NEFP however can and has been practiced without tantra. You might of course think that there are no awakened individuals in Theravāda, but i would then question why you even post here if that is the case.