You can let the body sleep but the mind awake.

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SarathW
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You can let the body sleep but the mind awake.

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You can let the body sleep but the mind awake.

I experienced this phenomenon a few years back and I reported it in Dhamma Wheel in one of my posts.
I have never seen this described in any of the Dhamma books.
However to my surprise the very famous meditation master Uda Eriya Dhammavijaya Thero recommended this to one of his students.
According to him you can let the body sleep and keep Sati awakened.
He said you can do this for about three days.

I have not experienced this for a long time but I am pleased that my experience is confirmed by a meditation master.
If you have experience with this or if you have any resources to support this please share.

The following video is in the Sinhalese language and is provided here to support my post as a reference only.

“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
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yeah - arahant don't sleep. that is their natural state.

Body sleeps. arahant has detached from body, thus awareness remains during sleep.
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Jack19990101 wrote: Thu Jul 14, 2022 2:19 am yeah - arahant don't sleep. that is their natural state.

Body sleeps. arahant has detached from body, thus awareness remains during sleep.
Can you provide a Sutta reference for this, please?
The way I understand Buddha sleeps about four hours.
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SarathW wrote: Thu Jul 14, 2022 1:56 am ...
He said you can do this for about three days.
...
This suggests one must surrender to true sleep-sooner or later, imo.

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    V. Nanananda

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SarathW wrote: Thu Jul 14, 2022 1:56 am You can let the body sleep but the mind awake.

I experienced this phenomenon a few years back and I reported it in Dhamma Wheel in one of my posts.
I have never seen this described in any of the Dhamma books.
However to my surprise the very famous meditation master Uda Eriya Dhammavijaya Thero recommended this to one of his students.
According to him you can let the body sleep and keep Sati awakened.
He said you can do this for about three days.

I have not experienced this for a long time but I am pleased that my experience is confirmed by a meditation master.
If you have experience with this or if you have any resources to support this please share.

The following video is in the Sinhalese language and is provided here to support my post as a reference only.

Unless u tranalate i cant understand the video.
I may be slow learner but im at least learning...
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SarathW wrote: Thu Jul 14, 2022 1:56 am You can let the body sleep but the mind awake.

I experienced this phenomenon a few years back and I reported it in Dhamma Wheel in one of my posts.
I have never seen this described in any of the Dhamma books.
However to my surprise the very famous meditation master Uda Eriya Dhammavijaya Thero recommended this to one of his students.
According to him you can let the body sleep and keep Sati awakened.
He said you can do this for about three days.

I have not experienced this for a long time but I am pleased that my experience is confirmed by a meditation master.
If you have experience with this or if you have any resources to support this please share.
:goodpost:

It is a kind of state of awakening. So natural, so no need to panic.
It can even last many days. It has something to do with a Nirvana experience, i guess.
Well done!

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It is a kind of state of awakening. So natural, so no need to panic.
It can even last many days. It has something to do with a Nirvana experience, i guess.
Well done!
No. It is not Nibbana experience definitely.
Even a non-Buddhist can experience this.
This is perhaps the oldest Jhanic experience of primitive people.
Once this happen to a primitive man he started to understand that there is two aspect of this body and mind.
:shrug:
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SarathW wrote: Thu Jul 14, 2022 10:19 pm
It is a kind of state of awakening. So natural, so no need to panic.
It can even last many days. It has something to do with a Nirvana experience, i guess.
Well done!
No. It is not Nibbana experience definitely.
Even a non-Buddhist can experience this.
This is perhaps the oldest Jhanic experience of primitive people.
Once this happen to a primitive man he started to understand that there is two aspect of this body and mind.
:shrug:
I'm not saying it is Nibbana, and i was not sure about what i said there. I'm quite ignorant about suttas and so on.
I agree on the second sentence, i think it is not a "Buddhist Thing", but just some Truth. Even a layman can.
Again good posting anyway.
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SarathW wrote: Thu Jul 14, 2022 9:32 am
Jack19990101 wrote: Thu Jul 14, 2022 2:19 am yeah - arahant don't sleep. that is their natural state.

Body sleeps. arahant has detached from body, thus awareness remains during sleep.
Can you provide a Sutta reference for this, please?
The way I understand Buddha sleeps about four hours.
It is a derivation of mine.

Albeit, I don't think it is a point of significance.
It won't impact how one progress on Dhamma, with belief that arahant sleeps exactly as we do, or else.
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Here is one of the theragatha from Ven. Anuruddha. You will find many of these as well in Sutta.

Btw, Buddha also didn't sleep after his awakening.
Anuruddha Thera Gāthā wrote:...
For the last fifty-five years
I have not lain down to sleep.
Twenty-five years have passed
since I eradicated drowsiness.”
...
Only arahant can do this. The mind is so bright, it is just impossible to sleep. 😁
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Joe.c wrote: Fri Jul 15, 2022 1:09 am Here is one of the theragatha from Ven. Anuruddha. You will find many of these as well in Sutta.

Btw, Buddha also didn't sleep after his awakening.
Anuruddha Thera Gāthā wrote:...
For the last fifty-five years
I have not lain down to sleep.
Twenty-five years have passed
since I eradicated drowsiness.”
...
Only arahant can do this. The mind is so bright, it is just impossible to sleep. 😁
Please provide the Sutta reference.
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LOL - dude is making 'sutta reference pls' into a meme.

No sutta gonna back what I gonna say.
Back to Original Post about experience described -
It sounds like u were in neither perception nor perception. did it not break into nirodha?
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Jack19990101 wrote: Fri Jul 15, 2022 2:30 am LOL - dude is making 'sutta reference pls' into a meme.

No sutta gonna back what I gonna say.
Back to Original Post about experience described -
It sounds like u were in neither perception nor perception. did it not break into nirodha?
No.
I have the perception.
I like people to learn to refer back to Sutta to verify their experience.
If not you end up making wrong evaluation of your progress.
Some people take this as Nibbana etc.
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I have attempted to practice this and end up with having a good sleep.
:D
This is how you do it the way I understand.
- Relax your body in lying position.
- Make sure your legs and arm etc not folded
- You can start with looking up lying on your back
- Then perhaps turn to lions posture (Buddhas sleeping posture)
:meditate:
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SarathW wrote: Fri Jul 15, 2022 3:38 am
Jack19990101 wrote: Fri Jul 15, 2022 2:30 am LOL - dude is making 'sutta reference pls' into a meme.

No sutta gonna back what I gonna say.
Back to Original Post about experience described -
It sounds like u were in neither perception nor perception. did it not break into nirodha?
No.
I have the perception.
I like people to learn to refer back to Sutta to verify their experience.
If not you end up making wrong evaluation of your progress.
Some people take this as Nibbana etc.
Re - sutta reference
that is a false sense of security, a ritually behavior.
Mistake gonna occur with or without sutta ref. It is inevitable.

Comments are to inspire, widen perspectives.
If you treat this forum a crowd sutta index, would it be rather boring.
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