santa100 wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 2:06 pm
whynotme wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 1:50 pm
I must say even your whole civillation can not understand it, understand?
It's hard to know the truth, the power of human is very small compare to spiritual, so be careful even the devas can be no help with the wrong view.
Not sure what you're trying to say here. At first you seem to say that you don't believe devas are real because our advanced scientific instruments havent' detected them so far, but then you seem to say the opposite, that the devas are real and they can't help one with wrong view!
whynotme wrote:I guess it must be a hard work to avoid all the telescopes and space probes. For what? Or they live on dark side of the moon? Or dark side of the sun?
Not even sure what you meant by "dark side of the sun"?? There's only 1 sun in our solar system and it's radiating light out from its' entire surface, so even on the side opposite to our line of sight, it's still the bright side nevertheless.
It's just a joke. There's old one like this, the US get the first human to the moon, second person said then the Soviet will get the first human to the sun, first one it's not possible the sun is very hot, replied but they will come at night.
Then you should check your reading, in nowhere I said deva don't exist. But these ppl complain I said opposite the Buddha which I don't feel like the need to explain. Cos I could make a false offense like you said there's alien on Mars which you didn't, so why should I concern no matter true or false?
In case you want to get it, there's multiple levels of deva, lower ones live on earth, in forest.. They live on houses but their houses can not be seen by ordinary eye. Then what it is if not mind made?
That's why I called them all spirit, because they are immaterial. When the spirit leaves the body, they aren't material anymore. And this is the ontological concep, if these world is not material then it's clearly mind made.
So I just tried to call the spirit world exactly as it is, a projection of the mind. Because to build a house with material, like wood or steel or concrete or even gold, it must be seen or measured by instruments. If these material like gold can not be seen or measured then it's useless as gold and should not be called as gold. Then it's just an image, no matter an image of stone, wood or gold it's still an image. It's maybe not a simple 2d image but 3d image, it's can also be touched and feel but no matter how complex it's still just an image.
Because not everything can be seen is material. Like a house in the dream, where's this house, is this house real, what is it made of? Is this house made by advanced materials currently science doesn't know of? Or made by quantum something material? Follow this pseudo science path will achieve nothing. Just accept it's an image mind made and done.
The same is applied to the whole spirit world. When it's immaterial then it's exactly a state of mind, like a dream is exactly just a state of mind.
OTOH while spirits are just a state of the mind, the higher like deva or brahma can applied mind over matter control to some degree, I believe, while the lower like ghost can not.
This is another ontological concep, human also practice mind over matter control. As other said human is a ghost with shell while spirits, god or deva or brahma is ghost without shell so the root problem is still the same.