That sounds like a blind man hoping for the best. The suttas describe a right view with a very specific relationship to behavior. To do what “feels good” is the pinnacle of sensuality, ill-will and/or delusive intent. In the end, the person isn’t even verifying the motivation of such words - as long as they “feel good” does not require any reflection. To be virtuous means to sometimes (most of the time) go against what is preferred, since preference is the pressure of a mind not free from defilements (even an ariya must content with this).thepea wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 2:08 pm Why can’t a man say what he prefers(feels is good)?
We are each working with our own developed wisdoms. Ultimate wisdom would equate ultimate purity.
So essentially we are working with our own unique levels.
And morally we feel we are correct given where we are on the path. When additional wisdom accumulated we may see differently and will obviously speak accordingly.
Again, that example has nothing to do with right speech in terms of right view. It is your preference to help your child avoid injury, and as compassionate as that may be, it does not imply such thinking - on your part - is beneficial in terms of right view. Acceptance of covetousness in any direction - even for purposes of this discussion - is wrong view according to the suttas. I’m not saying that you should avoid protecting others, but the nature of that need is not beneficial when hailing from a certain direction.thepea wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 2:08 pm It’s not a matter of not caring, it’s simply a matter of personal responsibility. You are working with your bias as am I, you feel you are correct as do I. We have a conversation, you get offended. Who’s responsibility is this?
Whether I care or not should not factor into your offence. It’s your responsibility.
If my child is about to dart out into traffic and I yell STOP!!!!! at a loud decibel and this causes my child to get scared and cry, is this wrong or harsh speech. If doing this prevents him from getting hit by a car, did I not act with right speech?
It really is essentially pointless to engage in the details with you - there is no standard criteria in this discussion. As you said yourself, you “prefer your own preference” as long as it is in line with your idea of purity, which, based on your history, has nothing to do with the standard described in the suttas.
Absolutely not. The mere fact that you have to ask speaks volumes.