Do you mean that birth is a precondition for the pain and sickness that arises during our life? If so, then that's obvious. Or do you mean that all pain and sickness is present from birth? That sounds less plausible, given its changeability. You appear to mean the former, as you go on to talk ofJack19990101 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 3:22 amIt is the same pertaining 'physical' pain.
Pain/sickness has already arisen when we are born.
So pain can "arise", without yet being "delivered"? Is that like it being at the parcel depot, but not yet brought to my door by the driver? If so, then the manner of delivery is very significant as far as I'm concerned. I'll take delivery of my "arisen" pain by means of a mild electric shock, rather than the red-hot ball of metal, please. Oh, and I'm out most mornings. Leave it on the porch if there's no answer.The manner to deliver the pain, [which] is of no significance.
A leg broken by a mugger or by an accidental fall, both is from same condition - birth.
Sure. In a world of conditions, they share one condition. But your examples are only possible because they differ with regard to other conditions. One is from the condition called "mugging", and the other is from the condition "accident". Were that not so, your example would be meaningless.