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thepea wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 3:19 am then I must ask you clarify.
life is easier if you don't care about anyone or anything


but that contradicts our humanity
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cappuccino wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 3:41 am
thepea wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 3:19 am then I must ask you clarify.
life is easier if you don't care about anyone or anything


but that contradicts our humanity
Perhaps, but that is not thinking of anyone.
You haven’t clarified your previous statement.
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thepea wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 4:07 am You haven’t clarified your previous statement.
words hurt if you care, not if you don't care
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cappuccino wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 4:32 am
thepea wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 4:07 am You haven’t clarified your previous statement.
words hurt if you care, not if you don't care
Is it the sounds spoken by others that hurt, or is it all in our own minds?
I suppose yelling at someone loudly could hurt the eardrum, but so can any loud noise.
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thepea wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 2:29 am
bpallister wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 2:14 am of course we are responsible, but we don't live in a bubble. and we are only human.
By only human do you mean not fully enlightened and not in control of our mind?
yes
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bpallister wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:50 am
thepea wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 2:29 am
bpallister wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 2:14 am of course we are responsible, but we don't live in a bubble. and we are only human.
By only human do you mean not fully enlightened and not in control of our mind?
yes
Who’s responsible for your enlightenment?
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Thanissaro Bhikkhu wrote:
As the Buddha said, when you’re born, you’re born with a sword in your mouth. It can cut both ways. You can cut through a lot of problems by the way you speak. But you can also cut your own throat or stab other people with the way you speak.

From: To Gain Inner Wealth by Thanissaro Bhikkhu
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thepea wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 2:11 am
cappuccino wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 2:09 am
thepea wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 2:04 am So others are responsible for your feelings?
If I let them be
If you let them, then it was your freedom of choice wasn’t it?
You cannot hurt the feelings of someone who is fully enlightened and is in full mastery of their emotions.

We are told to use only RIght Speech for the benefit of those who are not fully enlightened and not in full mastery of their emotions. Right Speech is a demonstration and practice of compassion.

Saying that other people's feelings are solely their business and not my responsibility is a demonstration of lack of compassion. You practice Right Speech in order to improve your own awareness and to stop creating your own bad kamma.

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KathyLauren wrote: Sat Aug 13, 2022 12:06 pm
thepea wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 2:11 am
cappuccino wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 2:09 am

If I let them be
If you let them, then it was your freedom of choice wasn’t it?
You cannot hurt the feelings of someone who is fully enlightened and is in full mastery of their emotions.

We are told to use only RIght Speech for the benefit of those who are not fully enlightened and not in full mastery of their emotions. Right Speech is a demonstration and practice of compassion.

Saying that other people's feelings are solely their business and not my responsibility is a demonstration of lack of compassion. You practice Right Speech in order to improve your own awareness and to stop creating your own bad kamma.

Kathy
It's a tough one, this. Of course, we should avoid intending to offend people without good reason. But not giving offence to unenlightened people does not trump the requirements of truthfulness. A person who is offended by everything I say - even if this is unfeigned offence - has no canonical grounds for silencing me. Far less those who merely claim an offence for political purposes. That's why, wisely, the emphasis is on intention.
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KathyLauren wrote: Sat Aug 13, 2022 12:06 pm
thepea wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 2:11 am
cappuccino wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 2:09 am

If I let them be
If you let them, then it was your freedom of choice wasn’t it?
You cannot hurt the feelings of someone who is fully enlightened and is in full mastery of their emotions.

We are told to use only RIght Speech for the benefit of those who are not fully enlightened and not in full mastery of their emotions. Right Speech is a demonstration and practice of compassion.

Saying that other people's feelings are solely their business and not my responsibility is a demonstration of lack of compassion. You practice Right Speech in order to improve your own awareness and to stop creating your own bad kamma.

Kathy
I’m asking if speech is violent?

Even in the unenlightened, is it the sound that comes out of my mouth that hurts them? or the arrangement of letters on a screen that hurts them?

Am I even the slightest bit responsible for their hurt? Or is this 100% their own doing?

Excluding of course if I yelled into ones ear and caused hurt to the eardrum from decibel level.
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thepea wrote: Sun Aug 14, 2022 12:01 am Am I even the slightest bit responsible for their hurt? Or is this 100% their own doing?
Life is suffering, or life is stressful


Life is
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death also…
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cappuccino wrote: Sun Aug 14, 2022 1:00 am
thepea wrote: Sun Aug 14, 2022 12:01 am Am I even the slightest bit responsible for their hurt? Or is this 100% their own doing?
Life is suffering, or life is stressful


Life is
There exists consent, there exists stress.
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thepea wrote: Sun Aug 14, 2022 1:12 am There exists consent, there exists stress.
you can only break a heart that cares
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