Right speech

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Radix wrote: Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:37 pm
thepea wrote: Sat Sep 17, 2022 5:12 pm I accept that others have feelings but these are their responsibility as my feelings are my responsibility. I mind my words and actions and bare zero responsibility for the feelings of others. If my words offend and my words are truth, so be it. They are only words, words do not harm.
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thepea wrote: Sat Sep 17, 2022 9:23 pm I’m not following you, “people like me” ?
The problem here is straying from the doctrine


They even accuse me of this


So … true or not, that’s the issue
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cappuccino wrote: Sat Sep 17, 2022 9:35 pm
thepea wrote: Sat Sep 17, 2022 9:23 pm I’m not following you, “people like me” ?
The main problem here is straying from the doctrine


They even accuse me of this


So … true or not, that’s the issue
So it’s the minority who hold unacceptable fringe views.
That’s the “people like me”.....correct?
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thepea wrote: Sat Sep 17, 2022 9:23 pm
SDC wrote: Sat Sep 17, 2022 9:05 pm
thepea wrote: Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:25 pm “People like me”???
Care to expand on this?
Nope. I don’t care to expand. What matters most is that a higher standard looms over what every single one of us says, and in your case, completely contains the disastrous views you share. I used to think people like you were a problem, but the real problem is people not looking into matters for themselves. In the end, anyone who has a concern for their own welfare wouldn’t outright trust what they read without investigating it. So, while I think your views are really dangerous, that is mostly an issue for you and those who don’t protect themselves through diligence and responsibility. Your posts serve as a great prompt for this to be said.
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thepea wrote: Sat Sep 17, 2022 9:37 pm So it’s the minority who hold unacceptable fringe views.

That’s the “people like me”.....correct?
There are right and wrong views


Depending on the teaching
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cappuccino wrote: Sat Sep 17, 2022 9:42 pm
thepea wrote: Sat Sep 17, 2022 9:37 pm So it’s the minority who hold unacceptable fringe views.

That’s the “people like me”.....correct?
There are right and wrong views


Depending on the teaching
There are words and ones comprehension of those words.
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thepea wrote: Sat Sep 17, 2022 9:54 pm There are words and ones comprehension of those words.
The teaching is right view


Hence you cannot deviate from it
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thepea wrote: Sat Sep 17, 2022 9:37 pm So it’s the minority who hold unacceptable fringe views.
One, people with views like yours are probably the majority anyway.

Two, those are not "unacceptable fringe views", the operative term is pharisaic, like I already said.
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Radix wrote: Sat Sep 17, 2022 10:12 pm
thepea wrote: Sat Sep 17, 2022 9:37 pm So it’s the minority who hold unacceptable fringe views.
One, people with views like yours are probably the majority anyway.

Two, those are not "unacceptable fringe views", the operative term is pharisaic, like I already said.
Can you show anything hypocritical that I’ve said?
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thepea wrote: Sat Sep 17, 2022 10:30 pm Can you show anything hypocritical that I’ve said?
Not hypocritical, since you care not
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cappuccino wrote: Sun Sep 18, 2022 1:35 am
thepea wrote: Sat Sep 17, 2022 10:30 pm Can you show anything hypocritical that I’ve said?
Not hypocritical, since you care not
Then how self-righteous?
Please provide an example of my self-righteous speech.
If you agree with Radix that I am pharisaic.
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thepea wrote: Sun Sep 18, 2022 2:14 am Then how self-righteous?
You are merely detached from Buddhism


Not ideal …
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Dhammapardon wrote: Tue Aug 23, 2022 3:24 am You are responsible for your feelings but they are responsible for their words.
I'd like to amend this as my work-in-progress understanding and not fact. Which now seems less compassionate than before.

More like...I am responsible for my feelings, I am responsible for my words?
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thepea wrote: Sat Sep 17, 2022 9:28 pm
Radix wrote: Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:37 pm
thepea wrote: Sat Sep 17, 2022 5:12 pm I accept that others have feelings but these are their responsibility as my feelings are my responsibility. I mind my words and actions and bare zero responsibility for the feelings of others. If my words offend and my words are truth, so be it. They are only words, words do not harm.
Fear causes harm, without a physical threat there can be no harm.
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cappuccino wrote: Sun Sep 18, 2022 2:29 am
thepea wrote: Sun Sep 18, 2022 2:14 am Then how self-righteous?
You are merely detached from Buddhism


Not ideal …
Is my detachment from Buddhism the direct cause of a buddhists suffering?
Example: I’m at a hockey game and the announcer says “would all please rise and remove your hats for the national anthem.” Now if I simply decline this ask and remain seated with my hat on and a group behind me is upset with this, am I responsible for this in any part?
Similarly our speech may not be appreciated by all, if I say I’m not Buddhist but found truth through buddhas teachings, this may upset some buddhists.
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