Can you work off anantarika karma?

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Adam1234 wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 2:06 am Let's say just hypothetically…
You can’t lose your soul


Now enough nonsense
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Adam1234,

Are you working with a foreign government trying to get Buddhists to make mistakes in not calling the police about you? Considering you are pondering whether you want to annihilate the solar system, after supposedly killing your mother with supposed psychic powers. Or who are you working for? Hmmm? Adam1234?
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Mahabrahma wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 2:13 am Adam1234,

Are you working with a foreign government trying to get Buddhists to make mistakes in not calling the police about you? Considering you are pondering whether you want to annihilate the solar system, after supposedly killing your mother with supposed psychic powers. Or who are you working for? Hmmm? Adam1234?
The police already know. They drove me to the hospital multiple times last year.
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cappuccino wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 2:13 am
Adam1234 wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 2:06 am Let's say just hypothetically…
You can’t lose your soul


Now enough nonsense
Once some idiots in MINNESOTA found a way to temporarily make their souls leave their bodies, as they decayed (the bodies) and then returned back. It is a spiritual crime, and I hate to think about it.
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cappuccino wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 2:13 am
Adam1234 wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 2:06 am Let's say just hypothetically…
You can’t lose your soul


Now enough nonsense
But please answer the question...
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Adam1234 wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 2:26 am But please answer the question…
How often did you think negative thoughts


How often did nothing happen


How likely was it that something would inevitably coincide


How likely is that a total coincidence
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Adam1234 wrote: Sat Mar 11, 2023 8:59 pm So what now?
Hello Adam1234,

I've been following this thread for a bit and hope this contribution provides you a fresh avenue to explore.

I have wished for my mom to die before.
In my situation the wishing did not kill her but I empathize with the struggle.

Using a bit of self reflection, this is probably how I'd address it.

Examine where your suffering comes from.
Narrow it down and be precise.
Where within you does the discomfort you're experiencing come from? Where is it felt?

Learn about your suffering.

Describe how it feels to yourself.
Is it persistent?
Does it last all day every day? At night? While you sleep?
Is it the same strength the entire time?
If it goes away or diminishes, what causes that?
If it strengthens, what causes that?

Explore how it reacts and responds.

What happens when you actively do the things that diminish it?
What happens when you actively avoid the things that strengthen it?

Once you've investigated some of its specifics, read or listen to MN 20.

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html
MN 20 wrote: "There is the case where evil, unskillful thoughts — imbued with desire, aversion, or delusion — arise in a monk while he is referring to and attending to a particular theme. He should attend to another theme, apart from that one, connected with what is skillful. When he is attending to this other theme, apart from that one, connected with what is skillful, then those evil, unskillful thoughts — imbued with desire, aversion, or delusion — are abandoned and subside. With their abandoning, he steadies his mind right within, settles it, unifies it, and concentrates it. Just as a skilled carpenter or his apprentice would use a small peg to knock out, drive out, and pull out a large one; in the same way, if evil, unskillful thoughts — imbued with desire, aversion, or delusion — arise in a monk while he is referring to and attending to a particular theme, he should attend to another theme, apart from that one, connected with what is skillful. When he is attending to this other theme, apart from that one, connected with what is skillful, then those evil, unskillful thoughts — imbued with desire, aversion, or delusion — are abandoned and subside. With their abandoning, he steadies his mind right within, settles it, unifies it, and concentrates it.

If evil, unskillful thoughts — imbued with desire, aversion, or delusion — still arise in the monk while he is attending to this other theme, connected with what is skillful, he should...
None of this requires anyone believing you.
You are capable of discovering the solution for yourself.

Focus on removing the arrow.
Not what the arrowhead is made out of, who shot it, or whether it exists or not.

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cappuccino wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 2:39 am
Adam1234 wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 2:26 am But please answer the question…
How often did you think negative thoughts


How often did nothing happen


How likely was it that something would inevitably coincide


How likely is that a total coincidence
That's what I TRIED to tell myself. But there was a karmic force. I felt like I had snakes crawling under my skin. I was contemplating with my higher chakras and I thought I was going to faint. Then I confessed my sin, and I lost my higher faculties. I felt this mist leave my body. I heard a voice say "you are no longer one of us".
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Adam1234 wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 3:14 am
you should at least admit you are mentally ill
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cappuccino wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 3:21 am
Adam1234 wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 3:14 am
you should at least admit you are mentally ill
Why?
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cappuccino wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 3:21 am
Adam1234 wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 3:14 am
you should at least admit you are mentally ill
There's no reason to believe I'm mentally ill.
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Adam1234 wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 3:14 am Then I confessed my sin, and I lost my higher faculties.
taking credit will give you the karma you take credit for

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cappuccino wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 4:04 am
Adam1234 wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 3:14 am Then I confessed my sin, and I lost my higher faculties.
taking credit will give you the karma you take credit for


self takes credit for everything
There was nothing I could do. I tried to avoid taking credit. But the karma was too strong.
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Adam1234 wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 4:10 am There was nothing I could do.
The timing of a person’s death is predetermined


There is nothing to do
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cappuccino wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 4:11 am
Adam1234 wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 4:10 am There was nothing I could do.
The timing of a person’s death is predetermined


There is nothing to do
What about murder?
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