No doer in advaita, similar things with budhist teachings found in advaita texts
Re: No doer in advaita, similar things with budhist teachings found in advaita texts
If there is a state called nibbana , that would be in contrary to the Buddha's teachings . Because you have no way of knowing it . You are the conditioned , nibbana is the unconditioned . How does both meet ?!
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Re: No doer in advaita, similar things with budhist teachings found in advaita texts
The cessation of craving, aversion and delusion (Nibbana) would be known by the mind, wouldn't it? Like with the third frame of satipatthana.
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No , if it means it is described as a state after the breakup of the body .Spiny Norman wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 5:32 amThe cessation of craving, aversion and delusion (Nibbana) would be known by the mind, wouldn't it? Like with the third frame of satipatthana.
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Where is Nibbana described as a state after the break-up of the body?asahi wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 5:43 amNo , if it means it is described as a state after the breakup of the body .Spiny Norman wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 5:32 amThe cessation of craving, aversion and delusion (Nibbana) would be known by the mind, wouldn't it? Like with the third frame of satipatthana.
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I said "if" !
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Re: No doer in advaita, similar things with budhist teachings found in advaita texts
Advaita presents Atman/Brahman as the underlying reality "beneath" the sheaths (koshas).
Meanwhile, the Buddhist suttas present Nibbana as a (mind)state free from craving, aversion and delusion.
I'm not seeing an obvious similarity.
Meanwhile, the Buddhist suttas present Nibbana as a (mind)state free from craving, aversion and delusion.
I'm not seeing an obvious similarity.
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Attaining the brahman, is a stage of a living entity where you give up the transitory form(rupa). Whereas the union with the brahman or knowledge of brahman and self being the same thing, and merging into one is non-desireable, a low goal.Spiny Norman wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 2:42 pmWhere in the Buddhist suttas does it say that Nibbana is Brahman?auto wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 2:14 pmyou are taking it out of contexts.Spiny Norman wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 5:12 am
Which texts?
In the Buddhist suttas only Nibbana is exempt from impermanence.
Are you claiming Nibbana is equal to Atman/Brahman?
The idea is that the purana texts say(paraphrazing, my conclusion) that attaining Big self will end rebirth. Budhist text also say things about ending rebirth. So, yes attaining nibbana is equal to attaining Brahman since both end the cycle in samsara.
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Union is different from attaining.http://www.hindupedia.com/en/S%C4%81yujya wrote:Sāyujya literally means ‘getting united with God’.
In this state of liberation, the jīva gets merged in the Supreme even as a river merges with the sea or ocean.
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Re: No doer in advaita, similar things with budhist teachings found in advaita texts
As usual, you haven't actually answered the question I posed.auto wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 3:31 pmAttaining the brahman, is a stage of a living entity where you give up the transitory form(rupa). Whereas the union with the brahman or knowledge of brahman and self being the same thing, and merging into one is non-desireable, a low goal.Spiny Norman wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 2:42 pmWhere in the Buddhist suttas does it say that Nibbana is Brahman?auto wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 2:14 pm
you are taking it out of contexts.
The idea is that the purana texts say(paraphrazing, my conclusion) that attaining Big self will end rebirth. Budhist text also say things about ending rebirth. So, yes attaining nibbana is equal to attaining Brahman since both end the cycle in samsara.
low grade liberation,Union is different from attaining.http://www.hindupedia.com/en/S%C4%81yujya wrote:Sāyujya literally means ‘getting united with God’.
In this state of liberation, the jīva gets merged in the Supreme even as a river merges with the sea or ocean.
And you still haven't demonstrated a significant similarity between Advaita and Buddhism.
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Re: No doer in advaita, similar things with budhist teachings found in advaita texts
why don't you use search to know whether there any Sutta say Nibbana is Brahman? it's obvious that there isn't such saying.Spiny Norman wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 3:51 pmAs usual, you haven't actually answered the question I posed.Spiny Norman wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 2:42 pm
Where in the Buddhist suttas does it say that Nibbana is Brahman?
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Re: No doer in advaita, similar things with budhist teachings found in advaita texts
So why are you making these unsubstantiated claims?
Nibbana isn't Brahman, and Buddhism isn't Advaita.
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Re: No doer in advaita, similar things with budhist teachings found in advaita texts
That's my point really. In the suttas Nibbana is described as a living experience, not something which happens with the break-up of the body.
And unlike with the Hindu traditions, Nibbana isn't described in terms of union or merging, or whatever. It's mostly described in terms of cessation.
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Re: No doer in advaita, similar things with budhist teachings found in advaita texts
.. there is nibbana in hindu texts used plenty of times. And, with the meaning what this word means. Liberation, cessation also translation varies dependent on what word is next to it.Spiny Norman wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 8:19 amThat's my point really. In the suttas Nibbana is described as a living experience, not something which happens with the break-up of the body.
And unlike with the Hindu traditions, Nibbana isn't described in terms of union or merging, or whatever. It's mostly described in terms of cessation.
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Re: No doer in advaita, similar things with budhist teachings found in advaita texts
Where does Nibbana appear in Hindu texts? Could you give some examples?auto wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 1:51 pm.. there is nibbana in hindu texts used plenty of times. And, with the meaning what this word means. Liberation, cessation also translation varies dependent on what word is next to it.Spiny Norman wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 8:19 amThat's my point really. In the suttas Nibbana is described as a living experience, not something which happens with the break-up of the body.
And unlike with the Hindu traditions, Nibbana isn't described in terms of union or merging, or whatever. It's mostly described in terms of cessation.
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https://vedabase.io/en/search/synonyms/ ... %E1%B9%87aSpiny Norman wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 3:13 pmWhere does Nibbana appear in Hindu texts? Could you give some examples?auto wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 1:51 pm.. there is nibbana in hindu texts used plenty of times. And, with the meaning what this word means. Liberation, cessation also translation varies dependent on what word is next to it.Spiny Norman wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 8:19 am
That's my point really. In the suttas Nibbana is described as a living experience, not something which happens with the break-up of the body.
And unlike with the Hindu traditions, Nibbana isn't described in terms of union or merging, or whatever. It's mostly described in terms of cessation.
actual word nirvana seem to occur only once in bhagavad gitahttps://vedabase.io/en/library/sb/8/3/11/ wrote: sattvena pratilabhyāya
naiṣkarmyeṇa vipaścitā
namaḥ kaivalya-nāthāya
nirvāṇa-sukha-saṁvide
sattvena — by pure devotional service; prati-labhyāya — unto the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is achieved by such devotional activities; naiṣkarmyeṇa — by transcendental activities; vipaścitā — by persons who are sufficiently learned; namaḥ — I offer my respectful obeisances; kaivalya-nāthāya — unto the master of the transcendental world; nirvāṇa — for one completely freed from material activities; sukha — of happiness; saṁvide — who is the bestower.
The Supreme Personality of Godhead is realized by pure devotees who act in the transcendental existence of bhakti-yoga. He is the bestower of uncontaminated happiness and is the master of the transcendental world. Therefore I offer my respect unto Him.
https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/nirvana
https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/chapter/6/verse/15 wrote: yuñjann evaṁ sadātmānaṁ yogī niyata-mānasaḥ
śhāntiṁ nirvāṇa-paramāṁ mat-sansthām adhigachchhati
yuñjan—keeping the mind absorbed in God; evam—thus; sadā—constantly; ātmānam—the mind; yogī—a yogi; niyata-mānasaḥ—one with a disciplined mind; śhāntim—peace; nirvāṇa—liberation from the material bondage; paramām—supreme; mat-sansthām—abides in me; adhigachchhati—attains
BG 6.15: Thus, constantly keeping the mind absorbed in Me, the yogi of disciplined mind attains nirvāṇ, and abides in Me in supreme peace.
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Re: No doer in advaita, similar things with budhist teachings found in advaita texts
These references to nirvana seem far removed from the Nibbana of the suttas.auto wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 4:21 pmhttps://vedabase.io/en/search/synonyms/ ... %E1%B9%87aSpiny Norman wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 3:13 pmWhere does Nibbana appear in Hindu texts? Could you give some examples?actual word nirvana seem to occur only once in bhagavad gitahttps://vedabase.io/en/library/sb/8/3/11/ wrote: sattvena pratilabhyāya
naiṣkarmyeṇa vipaścitā
namaḥ kaivalya-nāthāya
nirvāṇa-sukha-saṁvide
sattvena — by pure devotional service; prati-labhyāya — unto the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is achieved by such devotional activities; naiṣkarmyeṇa — by transcendental activities; vipaścitā — by persons who are sufficiently learned; namaḥ — I offer my respectful obeisances; kaivalya-nāthāya — unto the master of the transcendental world; nirvāṇa — for one completely freed from material activities; sukha — of happiness; saṁvide — who is the bestower.
The Supreme Personality of Godhead is realized by pure devotees who act in the transcendental existence of bhakti-yoga. He is the bestower of uncontaminated happiness and is the master of the transcendental world. Therefore I offer my respect unto Him.
https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/nirvanahttps://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/chapter/6/verse/15 wrote: yuñjann evaṁ sadātmānaṁ yogī niyata-mānasaḥ
śhāntiṁ nirvāṇa-paramāṁ mat-sansthām adhigachchhati
yuñjan—keeping the mind absorbed in God; evam—thus; sadā—constantly; ātmānam—the mind; yogī—a yogi; niyata-mānasaḥ—one with a disciplined mind; śhāntim—peace; nirvāṇa—liberation from the material bondage; paramām—supreme; mat-sansthām—abides in me; adhigachchhati—attains
BG 6.15: Thus, constantly keeping the mind absorbed in Me, the yogi of disciplined mind attains nirvāṇ, and abides in Me in supreme peace.
"..the disciplined mind attains nirvan, and abides in Me.."
I still don't think you've made a case for Advaita being similar to Buddhism, and I don't understand the need or wish for them to be similar.
Why not just recognise and respect the differences between these two traditions?
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