Ceisiwr wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 10:41 pm
Cause_and_Effect wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 10:32 pm
Plato argued for Ideals or perfect forms or templates I would not class them as 'substances'.
As permanent realities which are the cause of the structure of our phenomenal world, Plato's theory of Forms is a form of substance theory. Plato is also a pure Rationalist.
Whatever label you want to give it, when the Buddha taught the ordered reoccurance of the universe and worlds within it and the rearising of Buddha's, he endorsed a similar position.
Ceisiwr wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 10:41 pm
You really are too quick to jump to conclusions.
Not as quick as you. In fact it seems to be one of your characteristics, since I see your often inane comments being the first response to many threads here, and rambling speculations.
I am giving a coherent view of the implications of the Buddha's vision of the cosmos.
Ceisiwr wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 10:41 pm
If you want to go on though believing you are an immortal being, that there are eternal hidden realities underlying or supporting everything
So now we see your actual position. Nice try at lumping together two different concepts.
Btw, Nibbana is also called 'the immortal'. It's just that it's beyond being and non-being. You seem perpetually hung up on a concopt of non-being though.
Ceisiwr wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 10:41 pm
Not really. I see it more as a natural law that was discovered by observing the natural world, albeit one here that includes past lives, in a mind that was absolutely still and clear. No Rationalism required and no hidden and spooky realities.
You seem to be bent on arguing against the implcit Platonism of the Buddha teachings, when it has no bearing on your understanding of the dhamma. It simply is, and is an extension of the vision if reality the Buddha described.
Ceisiwr wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 10:41 pm
No Rationalism required and no hidden and spooky realities.
The universe and samsara is plenty spooky. Far more then you could ever envision behind your comfortable little desk.
There's even a hidden ghost realm ordinarily invisible to us alongside many other realms, and all reoccurring in an ordered structure.
Maybe the sense of having an intellectual handle on it reassures you, if so let's leave you to it.