What is “shame to pain” I’ve never heard that expression?
Ambition vs. the dhamma
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Is that proven?cappuccino wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 1:16 amkarma is logical, steal and you will lose money, lie and you will be falsely accused
deprive others of life and you will deprive yourself of long life
If you steal you might get put in jail.
I was buying antifreeze today and they said it’s outside just grab the three you paid for.
Nobody was around but I had no inclination to take extra(to steal), the thought did arise “I could take extra and nobody would see” but there is a force inside that stops this thought from becoming an action.
There is no ambition for stealing.
But when fishing this force within does not stop me from catching and killing a fish.
I use to have a lot of mental chatter about diet and I did the veg/vegan thing for awhile but I found no peace with it. I was consumed with negativity at a restaurant(why no vegan options) at the grocery store(why not a bigger selection or aversion to the flesh isle?).
Then I came out of that and simply ate what my wife or daughter prepared. Mind got quiet about food. Then it was the hypocrite chatter(if your going to eat flesh go kill it yourself) so I did and there was no force stopping me from doing this. It felt natural and connected. Also the sky did not fall.
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It wasn’t restraint. There was no desire, nothing to restrain.
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Clearly, it's not okay. If it were okay, there'd be no need to say anything further once the disagreement was discovered. But pages and pages testify otherwise.
Western Buddhism is the perfect ideological supplement to rabid consumerist capitalism.
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You lost me.
We are discussing the urge to steal correct?
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It’s ok to disagree with someone.
And the number of pages of conversation doesn’t matter, does it?
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You don't say.
Western Buddhism is the perfect ideological supplement to rabid consumerist capitalism.
Glenn Wallis
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Even you don't believe that, or you wouldn't say that the other party is "distorting" things.
It's indicative of ineffective problem solving.And the number of pages of conversation doesn’t matter, does it?
Western Buddhism is the perfect ideological supplement to rabid consumerist capitalism.
Glenn Wallis
Glenn Wallis
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I disagree with the translations of the suttas as being the word of Buddha. Human nature is going to have greed involved. The timelines and language changes open these scriptures up to language corruption.
Who says the problem is not being solved?
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If it’s a religious sect, then goenkas teachings are not in alignment with this forum.
The Vipassana centres today(after Goenkas death) are moving towards a Buddhist identity. I have parted ways with this tradition.