Hey PP,purple planet wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 10:26 pmwill be able to make up your own mind...
That i am wasting my time and his purely trolling and this is idle chatter by me ?
Please don’t call me a troll just because we disagree.
Hey PP,purple planet wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 10:26 pmwill be able to make up your own mind...
That i am wasting my time and his purely trolling and this is idle chatter by me ?
As I say, come to your own conclusions. But as I think your view on killing is correct and your intention seems to be good, I wouldn't say that you are indulging in idle chatter.purple planet wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 10:26 pmwill be able to make up your own mind...
That i am wasting my time and his purely energy stealing and this is idle chatter by me ?
Ohh, i literally started editing it right after i wrote it (because i thought it might be too harsh) , didnt think you would see it soo fastthepea wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 10:32 pmHey PP,purple planet wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 10:26 pmwill be able to make up your own mind...
That i am wasting my time and his purely trolling and this is idle chatter by me ?
Please don’t call me a troll just because we disagree.
I've mentioned this several times, you just ignore it. It is killing and the Dhamma does not approve of killing. As to the specific kamma-vipaka consequence, that calls for speculation, which I'm not going to do. Some kill and then later rehabilitate.
Again, I have discussed this, you just ignore it. I wrote:I’m not trying to discuss eating habits, that’s quite obvious.
We are discussing ambition.
If my ambition is to end my hunger or my families hunger, and I must kill an animal for its flesh and I do this in absolute consciousness with respect and love what is the bad.
Why won’t you answer this?
If I kill a fish you can’t say the bad is the killing.DNS wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 11:08 pmI've mentioned this several times, you just ignore it. It is killing and the Dhamma does not approve of killing. As to the specific kamma-vipaka consequence, that calls for speculation, which I'm not going to do. Some kill and then later rehabilitate.
Again, I have discussed this, you just ignore it. I wrote:I’m not trying to discuss eating habits, that’s quite obvious.
We are discussing ambition.
If my ambition is to end my hunger or my families hunger, and I must kill an animal for its flesh and I do this in absolute consciousness with respect and love what is the bad.
Why won’t you answer this?
Regarding vegetarian or omnivore diets, that is for the great vegetarian debate thread. You can post there about that. In regard to killing, the Buddha's Dhamma is 100% clear; no killing. Buddhists who eat meat do not kill; they eat meat from animals that were already dead. You can argue that this is appropriate or inappropriate and make your case in the vegetarian debate thread, but regarding killing, the Buddha's Dhamma is clear and obvious: no killing.
And to add to that, a Buddhist or Dhammist can take either view, that one should be vegetarian or the other view that there is no need to be vegetarian, but here's the big caveat: It doesn't matter if a practitioner of Dhamma is vegetarian or omnivore, either way, they all agree that killing is not allowed, not approved of. This is permeated throughout the Suttas.
I didn’t dismiss what you said. I gave you an answer. I’ve sat a bunch of his courses and you mentioning his words is not the first time I’ve contemplated this.purple planet wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 10:38 pm You wrote "My practice stems from Goenka Vipassana. " so i gave you quotes of goenka himself answering the questions You asked , but you dismiss it and guess the reasoning behind why he said what he said
The reason i decided to enter this talk was 100% because you wrote dishonest posts ! not really because of the content (yes/no to killing) , but how you distorted the conversation itself
Yes I can say the bad is the killing. It's permeated throughout the Suttas and I'm a Dhammist.
Ok, that’s a consequence but it’s vague.sunnat wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 12:14 am Debate for its sake does not encourage learning. It’s constantly evasive.
When Goenkaji said it’s a selfish teaching he meant it as a play on words concepts about how the best interest of the other, like harmlessness, is always the best interest of oneself. One does not kill because one does not wish to be killed. It’s a mundane wisdom that is good for beginners to contemplate. Later one finds that the act of harming an other being immediately gives rise to dhukkha in ones mindbody phenomenon.
Harmlessness is a sign of progress on the path for the pathwalker.
That sounds like fear mongering.cappuccino wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 12:59 amThe slightest of all the results coming from the taking of life is that, when one becomes a human being, it leads to a short life span.
Vipaka Sutta: Results
The Buddha taught we need to be healthy in order to practice properly. He taught desire/volition move the world and our existence. He taught us to practice diligently but gradually. A string that is too tight or too loose produce no nice music. He taught us to be determined but pliant.thepea wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 1:36 pmYes I get it.
We do things that are beneficial to us, we choose to brush out teeth, because we see when we don’t there are unpleasant effects.
Similarly we drill for oil so that we have energy to heat our homes otherwise we suffer the pain of freezing.
Similarly we fish and eat the fish, otherwise we suffer hunger pangs in our bellies.
There can be a good ambition for everything we do, where is the line between good and bad?