All sound like a legitimate concerns depending on ones personal experience. Maybe i was lucky not to encounter such treatment. However, in reference to a gap between conduct and abstract beliefs, it is to be expected from the majority of people. The fact that different practitioners from different levels of knowledge can discuss the dhamma together is pleasing, and ideally should strengthen faith. The majority of advanced practitioners are marked by natural and unpretentious humility. The focus on the teaching rather than the level of attainment would enable beginners to take responsibility, be vigilant and discuss on equal terms. Striking the line between real knowledge and eloquent demonstration of ideas is quite difficult, and not every practitioner has the same ability to share or convey what they know. The ability to instruct is said to be rare, even more rare than psychic powers.Radix wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 8:42 pmWhile I remain in awe how many people don't conceive of people as being interconnected and interdependent, also when it comes to matters of faith.
In awe of seeing the narrow understanding that some people have of what "noble friendship" consists of or should consist of.
As if the Dhamma would be a simple algorithm which a machine could teach a person.
In advance dismissing the value of a person, a human being, treating them like a drone, and expecting them to be satisfied with this.
Who is responsible for a person's faith in the Triple Gem?
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And the Blessed One addressed the bhikkhus, saying: "Behold now, bhikkhus, I exhort you: All compounded things are subject to vanish. Strive with earnestness!"
This was the last word of the Tathagata.
This was the last word of the Tathagata.
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Greetings,
Metta,
Paul.
This has the taste of passion - not dispassion.Radix wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 8:42 pmWhile I remain in awe how many people don't conceive of people as being interconnected and interdependent, also when it comes to matters of faith.
In awe of seeing the narrow understanding that some people have of what "noble friendship" consists of or should consist of.
As if the Dhamma would be a simple algorithm which a machine could teach a person.
In advance dismissing the value of a person, a human being, treating them like a drone, and expecting them to be satisfied with this.
Metta,
Paul.
"Whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things."
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Noble friendship is just normal friendship without one party trying to exploit the other party. But it's probably hard to understand for some people who never had friends or with the lack of brain capacity.
reality is not shaped by your mind, if this was the case there won't exist right view and wrong view to begin with (doh)
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Again "Who is responsible for a person's faith in the Triple Gem?" is a matter of right view. Denying goodness, genying being given, sacrifices, parents, Gods, Sages... one seeks escape from debts, seeks release, by means of wrong view.
Saddha (surrender) has association with right view, good Dhamma, as cause. Related to right view, good Dhamma, has Sages, a Noble Being, as cause.
Even if not surrender, lack of Saddha, such has wrong view, wrong Dhamma as cause, and being related, nourishing on wrong guidance, has relation with fools as cause.
(see Avijja Sutta)
Even if in the middle of Dukkha, it's cause, it's decay, right next the path, if not tending and relay on wise, no way to get the base: Dukkha, baken.
It's because people dislike Sages, and because fearing reality of Dukkha, that they don't arrive at Saddha, don't seek for Noble Beings, but cheater.
Why: One can not repay the goodness of a person who brought one to right view, Saddha, toward release, aside of doing the task and Arahat ship.
Saddha (surrender) has association with right view, good Dhamma, as cause. Related to right view, good Dhamma, has Sages, a Noble Being, as cause.
Even if not surrender, lack of Saddha, such has wrong view, wrong Dhamma as cause, and being related, nourishing on wrong guidance, has relation with fools as cause.
(see Avijja Sutta)
Even if in the middle of Dukkha, it's cause, it's decay, right next the path, if not tending and relay on wise, no way to get the base: Dukkha, baken.
It's because people dislike Sages, and because fearing reality of Dukkha, that they don't arrive at Saddha, don't seek for Noble Beings, but cheater.
Why: One can not repay the goodness of a person who brought one to right view, Saddha, toward release, aside of doing the task and Arahat ship.
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Religion/spirituality is a wonderful excuse for being a jerk.
Western Buddhism is the perfect ideological supplement to rabid consumerist capitalism.
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You're right. I need someone who can help me get to the next level, and so far, that person wasn't to be found here.SJohann wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 2:50 am Again "Who is responsible for a person's faith in the Triple Gem?" is a matter of right view. Denying goodness, genying being given, sacrifices, parents, Gods, Sages... one seeks escape from debts, seeks release, by means of wrong view.
Saddha (surrender) has association with right view, good Dhamma, as cause. Related to right view, good Dhamma, has Sages, a Noble Being, as cause.
Even if not surrender, lack of Saddha, such has wrong view, wrong Dhamma as cause, and being related, nourishing on wrong guidance, has relation with fools as cause.
(see Avijja Sutta)
Even if in the middle of Dukkha, it's cause, it's decay, right next the path, if not tending and relay on wise, no way to get the base: Dukkha, baken.
It's because people dislike Sages, and because fearing reality of Dukkha, that they don't arrive at Saddha, don't seek for Noble Beings, but cheater.
Why: One can not repay the goodness of a person who brought one to right view, Saddha, toward release, aside of doing the task and Arahat ship.
Western Buddhism is the perfect ideological supplement to rabid consumerist capitalism.
Glenn Wallis
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What is the Uncreated?
Sublime & free, what is that obscured Eternity?
It is the Undying, the Bright, the Isle.
It is an Ocean, a Secret: Reality.
Both life and oblivion, it is Nirvāṇa.
Sublime & free, what is that obscured Eternity?
It is the Undying, the Bright, the Isle.
It is an Ocean, a Secret: Reality.
Both life and oblivion, it is Nirvāṇa.
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Laughing serves passion or dispassion? Who would laugh when tracing a deluded person, if not in cases looking into a mirros (as selfreflection)? A wise or a jerk?
Who would, in cases, now be responsible nourishing saddha? Who for nourishing wrong view, good wanderer?
Laughing (passion/greed) mental ill or mental heal?
Strong passion to meet and associate with wise and not jerks, does the foundation to possible meet such, at least by the discerning "not wise", can one progress toward meeting the Gems.
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I thought Radix's response was funny. You didn't?
It's okay. You don't have to find anything funny that you don't find funny.
How many more profiles are you going to make on this forum? I find it a bit funny how many you've been allowed to make. You're not supposed to have multiple profiles here. I suppose that this is something else that you won't find funny.
It's okay. You don't have to find anything funny that you don't find funny.
How many more profiles are you going to make on this forum? I find it a bit funny how many you've been allowed to make. You're not supposed to have multiple profiles here. I suppose that this is something else that you won't find funny.
What is the Uncreated?
Sublime & free, what is that obscured Eternity?
It is the Undying, the Bright, the Isle.
It is an Ocean, a Secret: Reality.
Both life and oblivion, it is Nirvāṇa.
Sublime & free, what is that obscured Eternity?
It is the Undying, the Bright, the Isle.
It is an Ocean, a Secret: Reality.
Both life and oblivion, it is Nirvāṇa.
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Examples of suffering:
• Your school crush rejects you because you're ugly or too short
• A girl laughs at your wiener
• A couple having hard time to conceive, but one day the wife was pregnant but when they tested the baby's DNA, it turned out to belong to some pizza delivery guy
• A girl saying that you hit like a girl
Won't you call this suffering, bhiku? And you suffer even more because it is actually funny and you are in denial.
Buddhism is not a shelter for the lame and fake from the world. Buddhism is a place for you to shelter yourself from yourself. From your own deeds. Take heed bhiku, from the liars and hypocrites.
• Your school crush rejects you because you're ugly or too short
• A girl laughs at your wiener
• A couple having hard time to conceive, but one day the wife was pregnant but when they tested the baby's DNA, it turned out to belong to some pizza delivery guy
• A girl saying that you hit like a girl
Won't you call this suffering, bhiku? And you suffer even more because it is actually funny and you are in denial.
Buddhism is not a shelter for the lame and fake from the world. Buddhism is a place for you to shelter yourself from yourself. From your own deeds. Take heed bhiku, from the liars and hypocrites.
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reality is not shaped by your mind, if this was the case there won't exist right view and wrong view to begin with (doh)
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What's funny with lose, decay, wrong view... funny bases on gain by others lose.
Some seek fun, some the Dhammawheel. Atma wouldn't serve cemeteries grow.It's okay. You don't have to find anything funny that you don't find funny.
Who's responsible for gaining an account? Who of gaining birth in the Noble Domain, good wanderer?How many more profiles are you going to make on this forum?
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Who is? Indeed, I wonder.
Here's another one to wonder over:
Who is guilty of impersonating a member of the Saṃgha?
Here's another one to wonder over:
Who is guilty of impersonating a member of the Saṃgha?
What is the Uncreated?
Sublime & free, what is that obscured Eternity?
It is the Undying, the Bright, the Isle.
It is an Ocean, a Secret: Reality.
Both life and oblivion, it is Nirvāṇa.
Sublime & free, what is that obscured Eternity?
It is the Undying, the Bright, the Isle.
It is an Ocean, a Secret: Reality.
Both life and oblivion, it is Nirvāṇa.
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Re: Who is responsible for a person's faith in the Triple Gem?
Radix wrote
Am I wrong in thinking so? Without understanding the foundation, how would one proceed?
Some understand Nama-rupa as the Upanishads understood it.
Some understand nama-rupa as worldly phenomena, as Buddha explained it.
Do you not see the huge distinction?
You asked how faith is built? Would not the understanding of DO be the stepping stone?
not the outcome which is Nibbana?
You are asking a question about a process? right? Maybe I misinterpret your question?
Can you please clarify?
With love
Is not Buddha Dhamma founded on Paticca samuppada/an understanding of "How suffering originates"That's putting the cart before the horse.
Am I wrong in thinking so? Without understanding the foundation, how would one proceed?
Some understand Nama-rupa as the Upanishads understood it.
Some understand nama-rupa as worldly phenomena, as Buddha explained it.
Do you not see the huge distinction?
You asked how faith is built? Would not the understanding of DO be the stepping stone?
not the outcome which is Nibbana?
You are asking a question about a process? right? Maybe I misinterpret your question?
Can you please clarify?
With love
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Bundokji wrote
identified, as owner of the process?
Bundokji wrote
With love
Thanks good point, until the self view is held there is a who, one who is willing to be"The "who" is the practitioner who is still possessed of self view (the deluded state) and trying to rid herself/himself of that delusion by confirming the teachings through following the instructions in order to see them directly (as opposite to being told)"
identified, as owner of the process?
Bundokji wrote
As such, continued faith is dependent on not reaching a conclusion
It appears once the other shore is reached, the means of carrying the practitioner there is discarded. Would this not include faith too?How long this faith can be held is unclear,
With love