Who is responsible for a person's faith in the Triple Gem?

[Bundokji]

I am yet to understand what this thread is about

While I remain in awe how many people don't conceive of people as being interconnected and interdependent, also when it comes to matters of faith.
In awe of seeing the narrow understanding that some people have of what "noble friendship" consists of or should consist of.
As if the Dhamma would be a simple algorithm which a machine could teach a person.
In advance dismissing the value of a person, a human being, treating them like a drone, and expecting them to be satisfied with this.

All sound like a legitimate concerns depending on ones personal experience. Maybe i was lucky not to encounter such treatment. However, in reference to a gap between conduct and abstract beliefs, it is to be expected from the majority of people. The fact that different practitioners from different levels of knowledge can discuss the dhamma together is pleasing, and ideally should strengthen faith. The majority of advanced practitioners are marked by natural and unpretentious humility. The focus on the teaching rather than the level of attainment would enable beginners to take responsibility, be vigilant and discuss on equal terms. Striking the line between real knowledge and eloquent demonstration of ideas is quite difficult, and not every practitioner has the same ability to share or convey what they know. The ability to instruct is said to be rare, even more rare than psychic powers.

[retrofuturist]

Greetings,

I am yet to understand what this thread is about

While I remain in awe how many people don't conceive of people as being interconnected and interdependent, also when it comes to matters of faith.
In awe of seeing the narrow understanding that some people have of what "noble friendship" consists of or should consist of.
As if the Dhamma would be a simple algorithm which a machine could teach a person.
In advance dismissing the value of a person, a human being, treating them like a drone, and expecting them to be satisfied with this.

This has the taste of passion - not dispassion.

Metta,
Paul.

[samsarayoga]

Noble friendship is just normal friendship without one party trying to exploit the other party. But it's probably hard to understand for some people who never had friends or with the lack of brain capacity.

[SJohann]

Again "Who is responsible for a person's faith in the Triple Gem?" is a matter of right view. Denying goodness, genying being given, sacrifices, parents, Gods, Sages... one seeks escape from debts, seeks release, by means of wrong view.

Saddha (surrender) has association with right view, good Dhamma, as cause. Related to right view, good Dhamma, has Sages, a Noble Being, as cause.

Even if not surrender, lack of Saddha, such has wrong view, wrong Dhamma as cause, and being related, nourishing on wrong guidance, has relation with fools as cause.

(see Avijja Sutta)

Even if in the middle of Dukkha, it's cause, it's decay, right next the path, if not tending and relay on wise, no way to get the base: Dukkha, baken.

It's because people dislike Sages, and because fearing reality of Dukkha, that they don't arrive at Saddha, don't seek for Noble Beings, but cheater.

Why: One can not repay the goodness of a person who brought one to right view, Saddha, toward release, aside of doing the task and Arahat ship.

[Radix]

This has the taste of passion - not dispassion.

Religion/spirituality is a wonderful excuse for being a jerk.

[Radix]

Again "Who is responsible for a person's faith in the Triple Gem?" is a matter of right view. Denying goodness, genying being given, sacrifices, parents, Gods, Sages... one seeks escape from debts, seeks release, by means of wrong view.

Saddha (surrender) has association with right view, good Dhamma, as cause. Related to right view, good Dhamma, has Sages, a Noble Being, as cause.

Even if not surrender, lack of Saddha, such has wrong view, wrong Dhamma as cause, and being related, nourishing on wrong guidance, has relation with fools as cause.

(see Avijja Sutta)

Even if in the middle of Dukkha, it's cause, it's decay, right next the path, if not tending and relay on wise, no way to get the base: Dukkha, baken.

It's because people dislike Sages, and because fearing reality of Dukkha, that they don't arrive at Saddha, don't seek for Noble Beings, but cheater.

Why: One can not repay the goodness of a person who brought one to right view, Saddha, toward release, aside of doing the task and Arahat ship.

You're right. I need someone who can help me get to the next level, and so far, that person wasn't to be found here.

[Coëmgenu]

This has the taste of passion - not dispassion.

Religion/spirituality is a wonderful excuse for being a jerk.

[SJohann]

This has the taste of passion - not dispassion.

Religion/spirituality is a wonderful excuse for being a jerk.

Laughing serves passion or dispassion? Who would laugh when tracing a deluded person, if not in cases looking into a mirros (as selfreflection)? A wise or a jerk?

Who would, in cases, now be responsible nourishing saddha? Who for nourishing wrong view, good wanderer?

Laughing (passion/greed) mental ill or mental heal?

Strong passion to meet and associate with wise and not jerks, does the foundation to possible meet such, at least by the discerning "not wise", can one progress toward meeting the Gems.

[Coëmgenu]

I thought Radix's response was funny. You didn't?

It's okay. You don't have to find anything funny that you don't find funny.

How many more profiles are you going to make on this forum? I find it a bit funny how many you've been allowed to make. You're not supposed to have multiple profiles here. I suppose that this is something else that you won't find funny.

[samsarayoga]

Examples of suffering:

• Your school crush rejects you because you're ugly or too short
• A girl laughs at your wiener
• A couple having hard time to conceive, but one day the wife was pregnant but when they tested the baby's DNA, it turned out to belong to some pizza delivery guy
• A girl saying that you hit like a girl

Won't you call this suffering, bhiku? And you suffer even more because it is actually funny and you are in denial.

Buddhism is not a shelter for the lame and fake from the world. Buddhism is a place for you to shelter yourself from yourself. From your own deeds. Take heed bhiku, from the liars and hypocrites.

[SJohann]

I thought Radix's response was funny. You didn't?

What's funny with lose, decay, wrong view... funny bases on gain by others lose.

It's okay. You don't have to find anything funny that you don't find funny.

Some seek fun, some the Dhammawheel. Atma wouldn't serve cemeteries grow.

How many more profiles are you going to make on this forum?

Who's responsible for gaining an account? Who of gaining birth in the Noble Domain, good wanderer?

[Coëmgenu]

Who is? Indeed, I wonder.

Here's another one to wonder over:

Who is guilty of impersonating a member of the Saṃgha?

[Sam Vara]

Who's responsible for gaining an account? Who of gaining birth in the Noble Domain, good wanderer?

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[Pulsar]

Radix wrote

That's putting the cart before the horse.

Is not Buddha Dhamma founded on Paticca samuppada/an understanding of "How suffering originates"
Am I wrong in thinking so? Without understanding the foundation, how would one proceed?
Some understand Nama-rupa as the Upanishads understood it.
Some understand nama-rupa as worldly phenomena, as Buddha explained it.
Do you not see the huge distinction?
You asked how faith is built? Would not the understanding of DO be the stepping stone?
not the outcome which is Nibbana?
You are asking a question about a process? right? Maybe I misinterpret your question?
Can you please clarify?
With love

[Pulsar]

Bundokji wrote

"The "who" is the practitioner who is still possessed of self view (the deluded state) and trying to rid herself/himself of that delusion by confirming the teachings through following the instructions in order to see them directly (as opposite to being told)"

Thanks good point, until the self view is held there is a who, one who is willing to be
identified, as owner of the process?
Bundokji wrote

As such, continued faith is dependent on not reaching a conclusion

How long this faith can be held is unclear,

It appears once the other shore is reached, the means of carrying the practitioner there is discarded. Would this not include faith too?
With love