Ceisiwr wrote
What you meditate upon is an aspect of the body. Breath, element, foulness etc.
Your #1.
I will treat each point separately. It will take me a couple of weeks.
Let us take the body first,
When you say body, are you referring to the physical body, as you claimed at Sutta Central? plus no one at sutta central seemed bothered by your presentation "body as physical?"
They had to know that meditation should lead to an end to suffering, I presume?
Over there, you also claimed Satipatthana is an innovation of Buddha.
The Pali canon itself, influenced by Abhidhamma,
gives two different versions of Satipatthana.
You seem to follow the version created by Vibajjavadins approximately 200 years after Buddha's death?
I remember one time another participant at SC asked
"200 years after Buddha" Is that not modern Theravada???
I love snippets like this, from this particular poster. Truths wrapped in humor.
To get back to the point, - Is there not a contradiction between the first satipatthana presented
as a meditation on the physical body, which you claim Buddha innovated, and first Satipatthana as meditation on the arising of eye consciousness, ear consciousness etc, and exerting effort to avoid this arising? which Buddha innovated, according to Pulsar
Latter surely is Buddha's innovation, (if one understands the doctrine correctly)
it is found in the
Samyutta Nikaya.
I once wanted to discuss the real Satipatthana sutta SN 47.42, but I gave up. Interruptions by one of our other friends proved to be too much. This was a while ago. Some of my comments were deleted, but not by me.
Recently I felt I could do the same via another sutta in Samyutta Nikaya.
"What Feeds consciousness???" Hopefully, no one will try to object too much.
Now Ceisiwr appears claiming, SN 47.42 is not about Satipatthana, even though it is found in Satipatthana Samyutta.
Ceisiwr has not openly said that. - But when he claims that first Satipatthana is a meditation on a physical body, or even a rotting body is he not indirectly implying that SN 47.42 is untrue.
Correct me if I am wrong. I find it hard to carry on a discussion on Son's Flesh SN 12. 63, as long as he keeps showing up and
claiming that First Satipatthana is about a physical body or a rotting body.
Why would Buddha teach us a meditation on a physical body or rotting body? Is not the goal to relieve us of our self created suffering.
Is it not mental activity that Buddha is concerned with?
Dhammapada begins with, guess what?
"Mind is the forerunner of (all evil) states"...Narada translation
Is the Buddha tending to the mind or the physical body in the first Satipatthana? can you please clarify?
With love