Pulsar wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 10:32 am
Atthakavagga clarifies the original meaning of the word formless
as the founder intended. A sutta which was studied by honest monks during Buddha's lifetime.
- What did Buddha mean by formless?
If we misinterpret the original meaning of what is in the canon (I can point out several instances of such) do these suttas still qualify?
- Niddesa misinterpreted "without form" in Sn 4.11 with endless negative repercussions.
Also the Pali canon states:
- There is no consciousness without namarupa, There is no namarupa without consciousness and consciousness is always consciousness of the 6 sense bases.
How do the good people on the forum understand this?
Does the Arahant have the consciousness of the 6 sense bases
? If so, then the Arahant would be still subject to craving. This is an oxymoron.
In other words, does the awareness of the Arahant undergo Salayatana?
Does the Arahant's consciousness which is unlike the consciousness of the ordinary (puthujjana) still give rise to sorrow/discontent/death?
Does the deathless Arahant die? If so, what is the point of the teaching?
Isn’t the Arahant said to have Nibbana with *residue*? He achieves Paranibbana after “physical” death?
Is he *attached* to namarupa? That is the question. To what *extent* has he *elevated* himself above sense consciousness and to what extent, therefore, is he free of namarupa; not only in the *now*; but also the *hereafter*.
The Buddha’s message is interesting. If we follow his path we escape rebirth. But if we follow his path we also enjoy the fruits of the holy life in the here and now. The jhanas.
Don’t ask *me* what it means to not be reborn. I do not know.
And certainly don’t ask an *arahant* whether he exists, doesn’t, both does and doesn’t, neither does nor doesn’t (exist after death).
If I were to speculate, the definite “answer” could have something to do with the nature of Nirodha Samapatti - for that is attainable in this lifetime. And that may indicate the state to which an Arahant goes when life here is spent.