Yes, I think some of his posts were a little bit offensive.
does killing insects break the precepts?
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Re: does killing insects break the precepts?
Most insects can be safely removed from the house in non-lethal manners by opening the window or using repellants. I should admit though that some are very difficult to remove and could literally take over your home, for example cockroaches, fleas, termites, and probably some others too.confusedsoso wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 2:14 am Inside the house like flys, mosquitos, spiders, house centipedes and cockroaches.
Spiders are good, they don't live in colonies, tend to be mostly solitary beings and eat the other bugs.
Re: does killing insects break the precepts?
And just to be fair, that's nothing compared to the enormous pain and suffering you've been inflicting on those poor insects for decades.confusedsoso wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 3:16 amYes, I think some of his posts were a little bit offensive.
confusedsoso wrote:I do it because I get paranoid they are going to bite me. Its already been a habit for a very long time like for a few decades. I started when I was small. I kill them every chance I get so I have killed a lot of insects in my time.
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Re: does killing insects break the precepts?
A quick death. Doesnt everyone want a quick death if it was under your control.santa100 wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 3:25 amAnd just to be fair, that's nothing compared to the enormous pain and suffering you've been inflicting on those poor insects for decades.confusedsoso wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 3:16 amYes, I think some of his posts were a little bit offensive.confusedsoso wrote:I do it because I get paranoid they are going to bite me. Its already been a habit for a very long time like for a few decades. I started when I was small. I kill them every chance I get so I have killed a lot of insects in my time.
Re: does killing insects break the precepts?
You yourself said that lethal injection is painful. So really there's no quick death using your own vocabulary. My ISIS's burning alive vs throat slitting analogy was also used to demonstrated this exact point. Unfortunately you failed to see the point.confusedsoso wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 3:29 amA quick death. Doesnt everyone want a quick death if it was under your control.santa100 wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 3:25 amAnd just to be fair, that's nothing compared to the enormous pain and suffering you've been inflicting on those poor insects for decades.confusedsoso wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 3:16 am
Yes, I think some of his posts were a little bit offensive.confusedsoso wrote:I do it because I get paranoid they are going to bite me. Its already been a habit for a very long time like for a few decades. I started when I was small. I kill them every chance I get so I have killed a lot of insects in my time.
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Re: does killing insects break the precepts?
Just curious, do you know of any non-lethal ways to get rid of some of the ones I mentioned that could literally take over your home if you do nothing? For example, fleas, cockroaches, termites.
Re: does killing insects break the precepts?
I think you also miss the point, cuz according to the OP's post:
He kills out of the paranoia of being biten, NOT because of being literally taken over like the case you've just raised.confusedsoso wrote:I do it because I get paranoid they are going to bite me. Its already been a habit for a very long time like for a few decades. I started when I was small. I kill them every chance I get so I have killed a lot of insects in my time.
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Re: does killing insects break the precepts?
I think the guillotine is pretty quick.santa100 wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 3:31 amYou yourself said that lethal injection is painful. So really there's no quick death using your own vocabulary. My ISIS's burning alive vs throat slitting was also used to demonstrated this exact point. Unfortunately you failed to see the point.confusedsoso wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 3:29 amA quick death. Doesnt everyone want a quick death if it was under your control.
Re: does killing insects break the precepts?
Then try to build a mini-guillotine and use it on those poor insects. But remember, using the guillotine or not, you'd still break the 1st precept.confusedsoso wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 3:36 amI think the guillotine is pretty quick.santa100 wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 3:31 amYou yourself said that lethal injection is painful. So really there's no quick death using your own vocabulary. My ISIS's burning alive vs throat slitting was also used to demonstrated this exact point. Unfortunately you failed to see the point.confusedsoso wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 3:29 am
A quick death. Doesnt everyone want a quick death if it was under your control.
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Re: does killing insects break the precepts?
I think its nice that you think about those poor insects. Quite compassionate of you.santa100 wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 3:38 amThen try to build a mini-guillotine and use it on those poor insects. But remember, using the guillotine or not, you'd still break the 1st precept.
Re: does killing insects break the precepts?
Not only the insects, actually I wouldn't even bother to write had i not also felt compassionate for you.confusedsoso wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 3:41 amI think its nice that you think about those poor insects. Quite compassionate of you.santa100 wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 3:38 amThen try to build a mini-guillotine and use it on those poor insects. But remember, using the guillotine or not, you'd still break the 1st precept.
Re: does killing insects break the precepts?
You're getting good replies from our friends Elko Care and Onthewsy above.confusedsoso wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 6:45 pm
Everything you say sounds right but I cant seem to stop killing insects.
Stop. Make it your priority. Understand that killing do come with consequences. Understand you are the heir of your actions. Understand that bad actions lead to bad destinations. Stop doing it and don't do it again, under no circumstances. You'll have to work hard to live as you want without taking anyone's life.confusedsoso wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 8:35 pm I do it because I get paranoid they are going to bite me. Its already been a habit for a very long time like for a few decades. I started when I was small. I kill them every chance I get so I have killed a lot of insects in my time.
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Re: does killing insects break the precepts?
I dunno. I cant stop now. I'll just have to bear with the karmic consequences. I cant be the only one that kills insects. How about exterminators? Do they get punished for doing their jobs?mjaviem wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 12:14 pmYou're getting good replies from our friends Elko Care and Onthewsy above.confusedsoso wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 6:45 pm
Everything you say sounds right but I cant seem to stop killing insects.
Stop. Make it your priority. Understand that killing do come with consequences. Understand you are the heir of your actions. Understand that bad actions lead to bad destinations. Stop doing it and don't do it again, under no circumstances. You'll have to work hard to live as you want without taking anyone's life.confusedsoso wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 8:35 pm I do it because I get paranoid they are going to bite me. Its already been a habit for a very long time like for a few decades. I started when I was small. I kill them every chance I get so I have killed a lot of insects in my time.
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Re: does killing insects break the precepts?
Precepts are a guide to escape samsara. If you have no interest in escape, there is no need to follow precepts.
Just as a bird, wherever it goes, flies with its wings as its only burden; so too is he content with a set of robes to provide for his body and almsfood to provide for his hunger. Wherever he goes, he takes only his barest necessities along. This is how a monk is content.(DN11)
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Re: does killing insects break the precepts?
Yes, exterminators will face the karmic consequences. They not only kill living beings, but do so in large amounts and it is their occupation (wrong livelihood). But what the exact consequence is, no one knows. As Ontheway wrote:confusedsoso wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 6:08 pm I dunno. I cant stop now. I'll just have to bear with the karmic consequences. I cant be the only one that kills insects. How about exterminators? Do they get punished for doing their jobs?
I don't think anyone here can give you that exact information. Only the Buddha knows the full extent of kammic consequence.